Random CTDs SOLVED!

[farmeraap]

Alright, first of all, this is my desperate last attempt.
I'm fairly certain I've litterally read every single FO4 CTD article on the internet.

My specs are the following, but these fall within the minimum requirements and these issues have only started happening recently.

Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Memory: 8192MB RAM (2 sticks, 4g)
Processor: AMD FX(tm)-4300 Quad-Core
GPU: AMD Radeon (TM) R7 360 Series
Mouse: Roccat Kova
(mentioning because there have been some reported problems with this mouse.)
Temperatures remain below or just over 50C while in game, with 3 case fans airflow is fine.

EDIT: POTENTIAL !SOLUTION!:
"So. I have some good news for anyone experiencing this kind of crash. I used the (fantastic) Fallout 4 configuration tool by Bilago - http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/102/?

The problem turned out to be the grass. It isn't performance related (I hit solid 60fps without exception - specs listed above).

If you go into the performance tab and turn grass density down to 1 and grass draw distance down to 1000, that should stop the crashing. I've been playing for about 3 hours now with no crashes, while before it was crashing every 5 minutes. I hope this helps someone."


Now, my problem:
I'm experiencing crashes at random locations when moving, never when standing still, looting, lockpicking etc, always when walking. This happens randomly, sometimes within 5 minutes, sometimes within 30 but NEVER while staying in the same place for a long time. I can spent hours building settlements, staying within the same cell and I will never experience any crashes.
It seems like these crashes are thus related to loading new cells.

My load order is the following (sorted by loot, made some manual ajustments.)
I run FO4SE and install mods through NMM.

GameMode=Fallout4

Fallout4.esm=1
DLCRobot.esm=1
DLCworkshop01.esm=1
DLCCoast.esm=1
DLCworkshop02.esm=1
DLCworkshop03.esm=1
DLCNukaWorld.esm=1
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1
Homemaker.esm=1
SettlementKeywords.esm=1
EthreonMasterPlan.esp=1
Snap'n Build.esm=1
Thematic and Practical.esp=1
BonusSneaks!.esp=1
CBBE.esp=1
AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp=1
AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp=1
AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - No Crafting Perks.esp=0
WAYN_CompanionTracking.esp=1
Northland Diggers.esp=0
Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp=1
Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp=1
DD_Floor_brace.esp=1
IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp=1
LongerPowerLines3x.esp=1
OA_LootableMaterialsCrates_vanilla_mergedDLC.esp=1
OA_LootableMaterialsCrates_vanilla.esp=1
Scrap Everything - Core.esp=1
Simple Intersection.esp=1
Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp=1
VanillaExtensions.esp=1
subwayrunnnerdynamiclighting.esp=1
Remove Interior Fog - All Dlc.esp=1
btinteriors_project.esp=1
HAIA With Crafting.esp=1
crowdedcommonwealth.esp=1
Build High - Expanded Settlements.esp=1
mojaveimports.esp=1
Campsite.esp=1
Scrap Everything - Automatron.esp=1
MikeMooresMCAM.esp=1
Eli_Rockin Red Rocket.esp=1
unlimitedbuilding.esp=0
ModdedHangmansAlley.esp=1
Conquest.esp=1
HangmansAlleyBuilding.esp=1
AutomatronCountyCrossingFix.esp=1
OWR.esp=1
everyonesbestfriend.esp=1
3dscopes.esp=1
advancedworkshopfoodharvesting.esp=1
smh.esp=0
chem builder.esp=1
WastelandWorkshopPatch.esp=1
easylockpicking.esp=1
vx_removeallworkshoprestrictions.esp=1
survivaloptions.esp=1
nodoorsfordogs.esp=0
OCDecorator.esp=1
OCDispenser.esp=1
SMC.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays-AID-Vanilla.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC03.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC01.esp=1
dinoshelf.esp=1
dinoshelf_retex.esp=0
SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp=1
AutoDoors.esp=1
DarkerNights.esp=1
DarkerNightsDetection.esp=1
def_inv_scrap_en.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays-MISC-Vanilla.esp=1
Companion Infinite Ammo.esp=1
BobbyJet.esp=1
FAR.esp=1
BetterJunkFences.esp=1
AnyModAnyWeapon.esp=1
SniperDamage.esp=1
RichMerchantsLessCaps.esp=1
CROSS_Jetpack.esp=1
PortableRecycler.esp=1
Movable Power Armor.esp=1
ImmersiveScrapping.esp=1
25% Fusion Core Drain.esp=1
ImprovedJetpacksv6.esp=1
RRTV_MyFirstInfirmary.esp=1
ManufacturingExtended.esp=1
dinomore.esp=1
SkipHSH1_6.esp=1
DLCFixes.esp=1

[Park_Ranger]

That's going to be a mod thing, which mod I have no idea.

[[BC] Loocifer morningstar [TAG]]

i have a similar problem since the last nmm update who aren't able to find a mod just like that; so i update it to the last version and it doesn't change at all, nmm still message me armorsmith keyword {version} is missing ... despite the update --"

Now the weird part in step:

Step one: i can't enter or fast travel to red-rocket and sanctuary or even home plate (i don't try the whole map), if i CTD.

Step two: i try a quick new game and reach preston just for seing if it's a problem from bethesda or what, it work.
Since it work i launch a new one and barely starting custom face's of nora and i before a CTD.

Step three: i can't launch the game anymore it CTD for nothing ...

The only way to get back my 4days save it's to disable ALL MODS, not one but ALL ... fu.. me ...

[farmeraap]

@Park_Ranger
Ofcourse it has to be a mod thing. The real question is, what mod, and how is cell loading involved.

[SuperSledgeNY]

I think the root cause of your problem is the game is running out of available memory due to you only having the minimum 8GB. Before you blow me off, you gotta keep in mind that the minimum requirements are based on the VANILLA game, not a modded one like you're running. There's been a lot of updates to this game and just because it ran fine in the past doesn't mean it's gonna run fine now.

Whenever you move to a different cell, the game engine tries to load everything in that cell while at the same time deallocating resources from the previous cell. If you look at your HDD activity light while you move, you'll see what I mean. I'm betting this is the point where you CTD.

You might be able to reduce the or even eliminate the problem by uninstalling any mod that adds HD textures or at least replacing them with low res ones if the author made them available. As to what "mod" it is, you're gonna have to run this down yourself but honestly, I think it's gonna be a combination of mods and marginal hardware.

Honestly, I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be something easy.

Edit: As an afterthought, you might want to take a look at this. It will make tweaking your ini files much easier to do and to understand:

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/102/?

[Park_Ranger]

Windows 10 will normally warn you when your running out of memory.

[Jack's Game Orphanage]

Hi Laderlappen,

I'm having identical symptoms.

My load order:
0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 ArmorKeywords.esm
9 9 Snap'n Build.esm
10 a Homemaker.esm
11 b SpringCleaning.esm
12 c Thematic and Practical.esp
13 d Quick Save.esp
14 e VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp
15 f BetterModDescriptions.esp
16 10 Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp
17 11 Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp
18 12 Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp
19 13 Far Harbor Bridge.esp
20 14 TC_FO4_BeantownRailBridgeCleanup.esp
21 15 BalconySupports.esp
22 16 Craftable_Birch_Trees.esp
23 17 Craftable_Blossom_Trees.esp
24 18 InsElevator.esp
25 19 VltElevatorDLC.esp
26 1a FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp
27 1b FunctionalDisplays.esp
28 1c FunctionalDisplays-AID-Vanilla.esp
29 1d FunctionalDisplays-MISC-Vanilla.esp
30 1e FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC-ALL.esp
31 1f Homemaker - Greenhouse and Bunker Disabler.esp
32 20 InstituteNoFog.esp
33 21 ImmersiveFastTravel.esp
34 22 IFT_Automatron.esp
35 23 SnappableGuardPosts.esp
36 24 BetterShackBridges.esp
37 25 WoodenPrefabsExtended.esp
38 26 IMG_Castle_Wall_Patches.esp
39 27 Invisible_Guard_Marker.esp
40 28 LongerPowerLines3x.esp
41 29 ManufacturingExtended.esp
42 2a PowerArmorDisplayStations-CraftingCategory.esp
43 2b SSEX.esp
44 2c BetterJunkFences.esp
45 2d SC_ExpandedAnimation.esp
46 2e SC_ExpandedBuildings.esp
47 2f SC_ExpandedConcrete.esp
48 30 SC_ExpandedDirtGrass.esp
49 31 SC_ExpandedHedges.esp
50 32 SC_ExpandedLanterns.esp
51 33 UncappedSettlementSurplus.esp
52 34 Reload Sounds.esp
53 35 QuickEnterFromStand.esp
54 36 FO4Hotkeys.esp
55 37 QuickExitToStand.esp
56 38 UMD - A.esp
57 39 Vault 111 Jumpsuit with Army fatigues enchantment.esp
58 3a VarmintRifle.esp
59 3b Makeshift-Anti Materiel Rifle.esp
60 3c P99.esp
61 3d WM Chinese Assault Rifle - Standalone.esp
62 3e OWR_OWT.esp
63 3f SalvageBeacons.esp
64 40 CrudeBlowback.esp
65 41 CrudeBlowback - AWKCR.esp
66 42 DOOMDesertEagle.esp
67 43 HandmadeRevolver.esp
68 44 HandmadeRevolver - AWKCR.esp
69 45 DOOM1911.esp
70 46 OTs-02 Kiparis.esp
71 47 P220.esp
72 48 Family Mauser.esp
73 49 R91M.esp
74 4a VarmintRifle - AWKCR.esp
75 4b AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
76 4c EndorsCustomCombatArmor.esp
77 4d EndorsCustomCombatArmor_CFA.esp
78 4e WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
79 4f EndorsCustomCombatArmor_AzarHair.esp
80 50 ScarfMask.esp

RE: SuperSledge. I do not believe it is a RAM issue. My specs are:
intel i5 6600K
16GB of DDR4 RAM
Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
2x GTX980 (SLI disabled)

A few things I have tried:
- verifying steam cache and reinstalling mods
- clearing out old saves from save folder
- disabling mods in groups (settlement mods, texture mods, weapon mods etc)
- messing about with graphics options (full screen, windowless border, with and without v-sync etc)
- enabling papyrus logs and having a read through those (I wasn't able to find anything useful)

Have you managed to find a solution on your end?

[Jack's Game Orphanage]

So. I have some good news for anyone experiencing this kind of crash. I used the (fantastic) Fallout 4 configuration tool by Bilago - http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/102/?

The problem turned out to be the grass. It isn't performance related (I hit solid 60fps without exception - specs listed above).

If you go into the performance tab and turn grass density down to 1 and grass draw distance down to 1000, that should stop the crashing. I've been playing for about 3 hours now with no crashes, while before it was crashing every 5 minutes. I hope this helps someone.

[Jack's Game Orphanage]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...

Straight after posting the message above, I got a crash. Back to the drawing board...

[farmeraap]

Well if it changes the duration of sessions from 5 minutes to several hours, I'd call that a win. For now.

I never bought the RAM because when monitoring my RAM usage during gameplay, I never exceeded 5 gigs of use.

[farmeraap]

Alright, Some more days have passed and I've tried Jack's idea of grass density... and I have played a total of 25 hours since then, without any crashes.

Sad to hear Jack can't profit from his own suggestion, yet I still find it important for any future readers to strongy suggest attemping Jack's idea above, which I will also edit into the origina question.

Thanks everyone, for your answers and suggestions.

[Thexder]

Set the fps to 150.
It's the only thing that worked for me.

[XBlackXDragonX]

yeah I thought this was working then after I got outside of the vault in the grass oddly it crashed, still no fix almost 2 years after this post, can't even get my money back ♥♥♥♥ both these companies

[thadaroso]

I disable the option Weapon Debris and this problem is solved.

[j85grim]

Originally posted by ☭Chairman Farmer☭:

@Park_Ranger
Ofcourse it has to be a mod thing. The real question is, what mod, and how is cell loading involved.

I have no mods installed and get the exact same thing. I have 16 gigs of ram, an i9 8 core 5ghz, 2080 ti. It always happens outdoors, never inside a building or during a loading screen and appears to be random as I can go 4 hours without having one and other times I'll have 2 in a row within 5 minutes...

I just tried lowering the grass desnity and view distance Iam praying this solves it like it did for the op.

[Rosey]

If you're reading this looking for a solution to hard crashing to desktop every couple hours of gameplay or so my suggestion is to not rely on auto save. Make sure you remember to quicksave and manual save fairly often. My game likes to go take a poop when I've spent 45 minutes base building and forget to save ;p especially when Its unexpected and I haven't had one in days :) Bethesda games are notorious for it.

That said, if you're ctd and you have zero mods? I'd head over to the nexus website and pick up at the very least The Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch. It should help fix a lot of issues you're bound to run into with out altering your game in any way. You do need the DLC's for it to function, but it does as intended. Fix the bugs. Here's a link for ease.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4598