Liberty Prime stamping around is tiresome!

[Paxtoranius]

Are there any switches (not mods) to place him back into standby mode after the Institute quest. It doesn't seem sensible for the Brotherhood to let him pace around of his own free will making such a racket and wasting the power cells.

[Paxtoranius]

Originally posted by Doodah:

Do what i did. If you are on PC open console, click Prime and type disable. Job done

I guess ... nice to get back 'on topic' anyway, cheers!

[sushicat]

i wish there was a mod liberty prime for minutemen or something like you hacked him

[danconnors]

Two Gunner vertibirds approach Liberty Prime, each carrying a 500 pound bomb. A 500 foot long chain connects the two bombs. A single switch on one of the vertibirds releases both bombs simultaneously about a thousand feet (several seconds) frome Prime. One bomb goes right of the behemoth, the other goes left. The chain holds them together like a bolo. The bolo wraps around Prime's neck until they crash together and decapitate the robot that was just too big a target.

[jRibbo45]

you could go into the geck and i guess glue him into one place

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by danconnors:

@cray toast: Actually two Maus tanks were built. They never saw action, because they ran out of gas while looking for bridges that could handle their weight. Their own crews rendered them inoperable. If the Germans had wasted enough money to build 100 of them World War 2 Europe would have ended in 1944. As Stalin said "Quantity IS quality."

After a weapon gets too big its own size defeats it. It becomes the prime weapon on the battlefield; everybody shoots at it. Look at the fate of the two Japanes super battleships, the Yamato and the Musachi, the biggest battleships ever built. Their main armament, nine 18 inch cannon. One hit on Liberty prime with one of their 3,000 pound, high velocity, armor piercing shells would have left Liberty prime a smoking pile of rubble. They could punch through 18 inches of solid steel armour plate.

At the Battle of Leyte Gulf a couple hundred US dive bombers and torpedo planes attacked the monster Musachi. It was hit by 18 torpedoes and at least twenty 1,000 pound bombs dropped by dive bombers. It sank, all 63,000 tons of it.

At the Battle of Okinawa the Japanese sent the Yamato on a one way mission to destroy allied shipping around the island. Exactly the same thing happened to this monster, except even more US planes, possibly 500 attacked it. Their size defeated them. They were the biggest ships on the ocean. Yamato didn't come near any US ships. Liberty Prime wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Institute.

Thats wrong. No complete maus was ever built. They built a half of one, that had the body build but no turrent and no gun. And then they built one with a wooden body and a wooden turrent but had a functioning gun.
No Maus ever saw combat, No maus was ever fully built. The most complete version of it was captured by the Russians while its body was still in the factory. The russians rebuilt it the best they could using captured documents and now it sits in one of their museums.
The Maus was an even worse Idea than the Tiger. Everyone thinks the tiger is great because of how dangerous it was, But they don't realise how much valuable resources it took to build one, and how much it costs to maintain them. For the cost and resources to build 1 tiger, You could of built 3 Pnzer mkIV's. 100 Mauses would of been useless. They wouldn't of even been able to cross most bridges in france. They would of basically became Mobile gun batterys for the defence of the german homeland and thats it.

And the Yamato/Musashi is a terrible interpritation of Liberty prime and the Institute.

For starters, The U.S KNEW about Yamato/Musashi before the war even started. The Institute had No idea about Liberty Prime. Even Dr Li thought it was still destroyed when she was at the Institute. And even the Institute admits they weren't able to get any synths to infiltrate the airport. So the institute had no Idea about his existance or his creation. When he finally made himself known, The Institute were caught off guard.
Kind of like the Russians had no Idea about the Tiger tank until the Battle of Kursk, And it devestated alot of their forces before the russians were able to counterattack.

Also, As mentioned above, the institute wasn't able to infiltrate the brotherhood. The U.S code workers had cracked the Japanese morse code. So they knew where the battleships were most of the time.


And finally, Both Battleships were sunk by a nation with a STANDING Military of equal and greater naval strengh than Japan. Meaning we already had the weapons, soldiers, ships, and military to sink whatever we wanted at the time of the war.
This isn't the care with the institute. They didn't know about a giant nuke-throwing robot, So they had nothing to stop the giant nuke-throwing robot with.

Hell, they didn't even know about the brotherhood showing up, otherwise they could of easily created some kind of anti-Power Armor device like the ones in NV.

Basically The Brotherhood Blitz the Institute and didn't give them enough time or oppurtunities to build up a proper defence before Liberty Prime came digging to their door.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by danconnors:

Two Gunner vertibirds approach Liberty Prime, each carrying a 500 pound bomb. A 500 foot long chain connects the two bombs. A single switch on one of the vertibirds releases both bombs simultaneously about a thousand feet (several seconds) frome Prime. One bomb goes right of the behemoth, the other goes left. The chain holds them together like a bolo. The bolo wraps around Prime's neck until they crash together and decapitate the robot that was just too big a target.

If you can get close enough, Liberty prime is strong enough to throw both the vertibirds at the same time, Not only could he swat them out of the air, But he could shoot them down before they ever get close.
Plus he could simply pick the bombs up before they drag him down. Those Nukes he carries are actually about 500lbs.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Originally posted by danconnors:

Two Gunner vertibirds approach Liberty Prime, each carrying a 500 pound bomb. A 500 foot long chain connects the two bombs. A single switch on one of the vertibirds releases both bombs simultaneously about a thousand feet (several seconds) frome Prime. One bomb goes right of the behemoth, the other goes left. The chain holds them together like a bolo. The bolo wraps around Prime's neck until they crash together and decapitate the robot that was just too big a target.

If you can get close enough, Liberty prime is strong enough to throw both the vertibirds at the same time, Not only could he swat them out of the air, But he could shoot them down before they ever get close.
Plus he could simply pick the bombs up before they drag him down. Those Nukes he carries are actually about 500lbs.

They might potentially knock him over if the vertibirds hit him, but he'd just get back up.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by KrayToast:

If you can get close enough, Liberty prime is strong enough to throw both the vertibirds at the same time, Not only could he swat them out of the air, But he could shoot them down before they ever get close.
Plus he could simply pick the bombs up before they drag him down. Those Nukes he carries are actually about 500lbs.

They might potentially knock him over if the vertibirds hit him, but he'd just get back up.

It might stagger him. But knock down? I don't think so.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by danconnors:

As a weapon Liberty Prime is a joke. Much like the German Maus tank in World War 2 they were just big targets. The Maus couldn't cross three fourths of the bridges in Europe, and could be destroyed by a single fighter bomber. The first time Prime tried to cross one of the sabotaged bridges on the way to the Institute it would have gotten mired in the wreckage of the first bridge that collapsed under its feet.

So the answer is no. You can't keep a destroyed weapon running.

if you think the maus was bad you should look up the The Landkreuzer P. 1000 "Ratte" it was going to have a main cannon from a battleship...

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by jrr101:

Originally posted by danconnors:

As a weapon Liberty Prime is a joke. Much like the German Maus tank in World War 2 they were just big targets. The Maus couldn't cross three fourths of the bridges in Europe, and could be destroyed by a single fighter bomber. The first time Prime tried to cross one of the sabotaged bridges on the way to the Institute it would have gotten mired in the wreckage of the first bridge that collapsed under its feet.

So the answer is no. You can't keep a destroyed weapon running.

if you think the maus was bad you should look up the The Landkreuzer P. 1000 "Ratte" it was going to have a main cannon from a battleship...

The germans thought up a bunch of dumb impossible ♥♥♥♥ that ended up costing them the war.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Originally posted by jrr101:

if you think the maus was bad you should look up the The Landkreuzer P. 1000 "Ratte" it was going to have a main cannon from a battleship...

The germans thought up a bunch of dumb impossible ♥♥♥♥ that ended up costing them the war.

im personaly fond of the sun gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_gun

[danconnors]

@cray toast: I agree the decision by the Germans to build the Tiger 1 and Tiger 2 was a huge mistake. Their Panther tank, which they called a medium tank, even though it was heavier than the Russian KV-1, could defeat any allied tank. You could build two of them for the price of one tiger. The Panther had superior design, such as sloping armor, but the first battle it was involved in in large numbers was disastrous. The vehicle had not been tested enough, and numerous flaws developed during the battle of Kursk.

Engines catching on fire were the most damaging flaws. Once thes "bugs" were fixed the Panther became more dangerous to the allies than the Tiger, because almost 6,000 were built, compared to less than 2,000 total Tiger 1 and Tiger 2's.

My source, Wikipedia, said 2 prototypes of Maus were built, but agrees it never saw action. But if the original plan had been followed, and production had begun the war would have ended in 1944, because the resources needed for one Maus could have produced 10 Panthers. The Germans could have gotten 150 tanks at the cost of 1,500 less Panthers. And the Maus could have been destroyed even easier than a Panther by a single fighter/bomber, simply because IT WAS A BIGGER TARGET.

You haven't explained why the Institute didn't use their coursers to penetrate the BOS facility at the airport. I'm sure they would have known every detail of Liberty Prime. An attack of 100 coursers at night on the facility would have suceeded. Hell, when I was at war with the BOS, on one occasion I killed everyone at the facility single handed. With the airport in their hands even if only briefly, the Institute could have blown up Liberty Prime before it was ever completed.

For the cost of one Liberty Prime the BOS could have brougght in 1,000 additional power armored knight and paladins, and an extra hundred vertibirds. Quantity is a quality of its own. Vertibirds could have dropped even bigger mini nukes than Prime tossed, and could have unearthed the Institute just as effectively. The additional thousand power armored Knights could have easily defeated any army the Institue could put together. The BOS had access to much greater resources than the Institute.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by danconnors:

You haven't explained why the Institute didn't use their coursers to penetrate the BOS facility at the airport. I'm sure they would have known every detail of Liberty Prime. An attack of 100 coursers at night on the facility would have suceeded. Hell, when I was at war with the BOS, on one occasion I killed everyone at the facility single handed. With the airport in their hands even if only briefly, the Institute could have blown up Liberty Prime before it was ever completed.

I would have my doubts about them even having 100 coursers; they can't produce them as easily as other synths.

Originally posted by danconnors:

For the cost of one Liberty Prime the BOS could have brougght in 1,000 additional power armored knight and paladins, and an extra hundred vertibirds. Quantity is a quality of its own. Vertibirds could have dropped even bigger mini nukes than Prime tossed, and could have unearthed the Institute just as effectively. The additional thousand power armored Knights could have easily defeated any army the Institue could put together. The BOS had access to much greater resources than the Institute.

The Brotherhood was already bringing Liberty Prime before they knew any detailed information about the Institute, and they still had plenty of vertibirds and troops as well. Neither of the sides has perfect information about the other, so while they could potentially have taken more efficient means, their decision on how to act relies on their knowledge at the time.

For example, with perfect knowledge, the Institute could have transported synths directly into the Prydwn before the Brotherhood set up its teleportation blockers, or could have stepped up their plans to retrieve the beryllium agitator and taken it before the Brotherhood was anywhere near ready, leaving Liberty Prime useless without fighting a single Brotherhood soldier.

Liberty Prime is very useful, though. Being virtually indestructible he's the perfect unit to clear the way for your ground troops and punch straight through even the heaviest defenses. Remember that the Brotherhood didn't have any bigger bombs to use, and it was actually Prime's laser that bored a hole into the Institute.

[danconnors]

@douglasgrave: One hundred coursers wouldn't have been needed. A single courser with night goggles would have monitored the action from one of the nearbye ruins. An initial 20 coursers and 30 or 40 heavily armed and armored synth ones and two's would have teleported into the middle of the compound. By night, when I took that compound out single handed, there were less than 20 defenders. The battle would be brief, and the BOS defenders over run. If the courser observer deemed it necessary, he would have called in reserves.

I attended meetings of the Institute leadership. One of the leaders was the woman who worked on the original Prime. She would know more about Liberty Prime than anyone, including anyone in the BOS. I'm sure she would have reecommended destroying it before it could be built.

Plus, you don't use a laser to evaporate thousands of tons of dirt, you use nukes. No laser could be that powerful. You'd need nukes. Small as they are you'd probably need hundreds. Fifty vertibirds dropping a mini nuke each pass, and dropping a couple of hundred would have done the trick. Or, if the BOS had gotten the necessary information they could have dropped conventional "bunker busters" like the ones we used to dig up deep bunkers in Gulf Wars 1 and 2.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by danconnors:

I attended meetings of the Institute leadership. One of the leaders was the woman who worked on the original Prime. She would know more about Liberty Prime than anyone, including anyone in the BOS. I'm sure she would have reecommended destroying it before it could be built.

She'd have to know that the Brotherhood had actually brought the remains of Liberty Prime to the Commonwealth, and even once she did, and assuming she understood any and all changes the Brotherhood may have made, she'd also know that they wouldn't be able to get the reactor started without the beryllium agitator, which would be easier to get than attempting a full-scale assault on the Brotherhood in their local base of operations.

Originally posted by danconnors:

Plus, you don't use a laser to evaporate thousands of tons of dirt, you use nukes. No laser could be that powerful. You'd need nukes. Small as they are you'd probably need hundreds. Fifty vertibirds dropping a mini nuke each pass, and dropping a couple of hundred would have done the trick. Or, if the BOS had gotten the necessary information they could have dropped conventional "bunker busters" like the ones we used to dig up deep bunkers in Gulf Wars 1 and 2.

No matter what you may think about it, the laser is exactly what they did use.