Kremvh's Tooth vs Pickman's Blade

[Wicked Recluse]

I'm curious if anyone has done any sort of analytical breakdown to determine which of these, if either, is the best choice to use as a primary sneak attack weapon. I'm planning on a new character soon and considering this build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wMqWtbXfA With a few minor changes. He suggest's Pickman's Blade which I am leaning towards being the better blade.
So I picked up both on my current character which is a stealth sniper, and tried them out. Kremvh's Tooth does about 12 more base damage, but if I read the tooltips correctly, only does 3 bleed and 3 poison damage, or if it's using the "stealth blade" bonus it's 10 bleed damage. Again, with my current sniper build, I can only queue 4 hits with this weapon, and it has a medium swing speed.
With Pickman's Blade, only doing 19 damage, and the other 31, it's direct sneak damage is quite a bit lower. However, Pickman's Blade does 25 points of bleed damage, plus 10 because it has a "stealth blade" for a total of 35 damage bonus bleed damage. I don't think the DoT on either weapon is multiplied by sneak attack damage. However, Pickman's blade has a fast swing rate, and can queue twice as many hits at 8, and the bleed damage does seem to stack. Getting 8 VATS sneak hits on a deathclaw brought it's health down to about 1/3 and drained the rest in about 4 seconds.

Does anyone have any other thoughts or input on this subject?

[Yhwach]

Kremvh's tooth outputs more damage, and you can stick a cutlass blade on there for bleeding + poison if you're spotted.

[Doombringer]

Kremvh's Tooth is a unique blade mod that can be removed and placed on another machete.
So find a good legendary machete and stick it on that ;)

[LairosTall]

I havent used the *Tooth* much myself but Pickman's Blade can be surprisingly effective.
Pickman's Blade has 2 different bleed effects, one from the legendary bonus and one from the weapon mod.
Try going up to a Gunner commander and say free-swinging the knife, no VATS. As you swing the knife watch for the extra chunks of the enemy's hp vanishing between each of your swings.
The enemy can often die from the stacked bleed damage before you can do enough damage from just the weapon itself.

[Xyzzy]

I prefer Pickman's bleeding blade. And Piper likes Serrated Machete, Didn't rate Kremvh's Tooth much, neither of us. Same with Swan's Fist, not as good as it looks like it might be.
Analytic breakdown, don't believe all you read, but my analysis is from 5,000 hours of play.

[Yhwach]

Originally posted by Doombringer:

Kremvh's Tooth is a unique blade mod that can be removed and placed on another machete.
So find a good legendary machete and stick it on that ;)

If they already have it then why bother?
The kremvh mod doesn't carry over the legendary modifier.

[Doombringer]

It add to it, Kremvh is a blade upgrade (that can't be found elsewhere).
The weapon the Kremvh blade is on is just a normal machete with a goofy name, it isn't legendary.
So you take it off the normal machete and put it on a legendary (like Furious or whatever).

[Yhwach]

Originally posted by Doombringer:

It add to it, Kremvh is a blade upgrade (that can't be found elsewhere).
The weapon the Kremvh blade is on is just a normal machete with a goofy name, it isn't legendary.
So you take it off the normal machete and put it on a legendary (like Furious or whatever).

The blade itself Is legendary so It'd be a waste just to not use it considering the effect it gives, then just throw a cutlass over it.

[IronSquid501]

Kremvh + legendary is pretty decent tbh

[IronSquid501]

Originally posted by Monokuma:

Originally posted by Doombringer:

It add to it, Kremvh is a blade upgrade (that can't be found elsewhere).
The weapon the Kremvh blade is on is just a normal machete with a goofy name, it isn't legendary.
So you take it off the normal machete and put it on a legendary (like Furious or whatever).

The blade itself Is legendary so It'd be a waste just to not use it considering the effect it gives, then just throw a cutlass over it.

what "cutlass" are you talking about? i think you're mistaking Kremvh's Tooth with Throatslicer.

[Doombringer]

From the Wiki (and from my game experience):
Kremvh's_Tooth (Fallout4 wiki)[fallout.wikia.com]
Kremvh's Tooth is a unique machete with a unique mod named "sacrificial blade", which gives the weapon a large damage boost, additional poison and bleeding damage on a short duration, as well as a unique shape.
Unlike legendary weapon effects, it is possible to remove the sacrificial blade mod from the weapon at a workbench, and apply it to another machete. Thus, it is possible to install the mod on any legendary variant of the machete, giving the weapon the unique shape as well as extra effects. When the sacrificial blade mod is removed, Kremvh's Tooth becomes a regular machete, just with a different name.


It is a unique mod on a normal machete (the machete has a unique name).
You can remove the mod which has all the special effects from Kremvh's Blade (which does NOT come with a legendary weapon effect) and put it on a legendary machete (that actually has a legendary weapon ability).

The cutlass blade mod is for a Blade (Nuka World DLC weapon), not a Machete, so I don't know why you mention it in relation to Kremvh's Tooth...

[IronSquid501]

^ That's why I believe the tooth is superior to pickman's blade tbh. You can get the Kremvh's Tooth mod, which is a decent legendary weapon on its own, and apply it to some other legendary machete for a double-legendary that does tons of damage, bleed damage, and some poison

[Wicked Recluse]

Originally posted by IronSquid501:

^ That's why I believe the tooth is superior to pickman's blade tbh. You can get the Kremvh's Tooth mod, which is a decent legendary weapon on its own, and apply it to some other legendary machete for a double-legendary that does tons of damage, bleed damage, and some poison

Perhaps. But if you look at it from a VATS perspective, considering you'd be using it frequently with VATS due to Blitz, Pickman's Blade attacks very very quick, allowing you to pull off several sneak attacks on the same target very quickly. Also, Pickman's Blade benefits from SCAV! #2 Fear the Knife King (+25% combat knife damage) magazine. I'm more worried that the Tooth will be too slow for use with VATS + Blitz.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by Reckless Troll:

Originally posted by IronSquid501:

^ That's why I believe the tooth is superior to pickman's blade tbh. You can get the Kremvh's Tooth mod, which is a decent legendary weapon on its own, and apply it to some other legendary machete for a double-legendary that does tons of damage, bleed damage, and some poison

Perhaps. But if you look at it from a VATS perspective, considering you'd be using it frequently with VATS due to Blitz, Pickman's Blade attacks very very quick, allowing you to pull off several sneak attacks on the same target very quickly. Also, Pickman's Blade benefits from SCAV! #2 Fear the Knife King (+25% combat knife damage) magazine. I'm more worried that the Tooth will be too slow for use with VATS + Blitz.

Im pretty sure all one handed melee weapons benefit from scav 2 even none cutting ones

[Wicked Recluse]

Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:

Originally posted by Reckless Troll:

Perhaps. But if you look at it from a VATS perspective, considering you'd be using it frequently with VATS due to Blitz, Pickman's Blade attacks very very quick, allowing you to pull off several sneak attacks on the same target very quickly. Also, Pickman's Blade benefits from SCAV! #2 Fear the Knife King (+25% combat knife damage) magazine. I'm more worried that the Tooth will be too slow for use with VATS + Blitz.

Im pretty sure all one handed melee weapons benefit from scav 2 even none cutting ones

Wiki says +25% Combat Knife and Switchblade damage.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by Reckless Troll:

Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:

Im pretty sure all one handed melee weapons benefit from scav 2 even none cutting ones

Wiki says +25% Combat Knife and Switchblade damage.

Eh I could be wrong