Possible plot hole in the Fallout universe??

[SMILEDOZER]

I was explaining the Fallout universe to my friend and I was talking about how the Great War started. I found myself at a loss when I was addressing something in particular...

Why was there a resource war for Oil if everything was already nuclear powered?

I know you still need oil to make plastics and other things, but wouldn't they have found ways around that by then? What with nuclear powered planes and cars, robots, power armor, etc. you'd think the tech would be there. Remember the whole 'too cheap to meter' promise? So why did they war for oil at all?

Just wonderin. Hopefully someone has an answer lol

[Stardustfire]

for red rocket and the other "Gas Stations" . when u read some of the Terminals u get the point that they are mostly not for gasoline, but for cooling liquid for the nuclear cars. the texts sound like they eat up coolant liquid like today cars eat up fuel.

[=EGC= kansasterry]

Thinking about lore etc. will just give you a headache the games were made by different companies if we count the entire series they made so many changes to fit the plot and way of playing or even the game engine of the new ones that there is not just one "plot hole" there is in fact to many of them to put in a single thread.

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for red rocket and the other "Gas Stations" . when u read some of the Terminals u get the point that they are mostly not for gasoline, but for cooling liquid for the nuclear cars. the texts sound like they eat up coolant liquid like today cars eat up fuel.

Perfect example as we find gas cans everyware and hardly any coolant bottles as well as engines that are clearly gas piston engines (some even modeled off past real engines) laying around in some places. That should have been in reverse finding more coolant bottles than gas cans if coolant was used more than gas and more electric/nuclear powered looking engines.

[Von Faustien]

As of fallout 1 and 2 fusion powered cars were rare and new to the market gas cars wouldn't have disappeared overnight. It's only fallout 3 and onward that they were standered prewar vehicles.

[Von Faustien]

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You're forgetting, WE didn't start the war, because of lack of resources. Others attacked us because THEY have too few resources. Imagine how angry someone in a 3rd world country gets when they see us dumping milk down the drain.

Japan's main reason for attacking us in ww2 was over resources they felt we were denying them. Rubber and Oil mainly.

Yes, you can make plastic and biofuel from food, but then you're just shifting your resources around, not actually adding anything. Desalination is very energy intensive. Not very feasible until we have a clean renewable source of power. That's really the key to everything. Energy.

All other problems become much easier to solve if you can crack that one.

I know desalination is energy intensive which is why real world tech wise I think investment in refining and making the process feasible on a wide scale should be a priority if you have enough clean water you can make a desert bloom with plants which is why resource shortage wise water purification is a good place to invest if you want to mitigate the effects. That and thorium salt reactors but in today's world anything nuclear is never getting off the ground because of public backlash.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

First of all, when a natural resources begins to run out, it goes through phases.

Phase 1 is post-abundance. This is when the resource has begun to decline in production, but is not considered scarce. Market forces begin to push the price up, but beyond that not much happens.

Phase 2 is Scarce, where a resource is common enough for select application, but too scarce for a general application. In the case of petroleum, automotive and power production would be the biggest hit industries by the scarcity phase. Polymer production would continue likely unaffected

Phase 3 is Strategic Depletion, where a resource has become so scarce, it is considered strategically depleted (this comes from military terminology armies use particularly when advancing an invading force). This is the most common form of resource depletion, as total depletion is extremely hard to achieve. In this phase, it's sources still exist, but it is generally more expensive (As a measure of power or finance) to extract and/or produce

Phase 4 is Total depletion, which is self explanatory, and almost impossible to achieve.

[Von Faustien]

Id also like to point out space is rather big if someone got an effective cheap way out of the gravity well they would would have more resources at there disposal than the human race would know what to do with one midsize metallic asteroid has enough metal to fuel earth demands for decades and there's millions of them.

[showler]

Fallout seems to be a world where they solved their resource issues, but too late to solve their political issues. How do you avoid war after you have invaded your closest allies and a big part of your own government has turned traitor?

[Von Faustien]

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Fallout seems to be a world where they solved their resource issues, but too late to solve their political issues. How do you avoid war after you have invaded your closest allies and a big part of your own government has turned traitor?

War requires people kill all the humans and no war! To bad the calculator failed to finish the job.

[showler]

"Finish the job"? He couldn't even get himself declared canon.

[=EGC= kansasterry]

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As of fallout 1 and 2 fusion powered cars were rare and new to the market gas cars wouldn't have disappeared overnight. It's only fallout 3 and onward that they were standered prewar vehicles.

True and like the electric cars of today be expensive and have legal battles due to existing companies seeing their profit cut into by alternative fuel used for travel and engines with less parts that wear out.

[Von Faustien]

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"Finish the job"? He couldn't even get himself declared canon.

He shall return from the none canon realm like grand admiral thrawn and put the meatsacks in there place (in the ground) finally the world shall know real peace.

Side note it just occurred to me the plot for automatrons was the calculator on a smaller scale. I mean brain bots misinterpreting orders and trying to kill everyone to help them ♥♥♥♥ he's practically already canon in a different form.

[Pyrogen]

Obviously... its... the oil needed! to make the fusion cores!!!!



Right?

[Zatheron]

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Transistors were originally going to be used in the micro Pip-Boy in van Braun it might not be 100% lore accurate due to it being canceled but fallout 4 isn't the first game to have them mentioned. Id like to know where the terminal is.

I said. It's in the cabot house.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Cabot_House_terminal_entries#09.2F05.2F2023

Knowing Cabot, those transistors were probably kept in-house and not distributed or talked about with anyone else.
That being said, I feel transistors HAD to exhist in some capacity with the enclave/their extensive and complex AI

[SMILEDOZER]

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I said. It's in the cabot house.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Cabot_House_terminal_entries#09.2F05.2F2023

Knowing Cabot, those transistors were probably kept in-house and not distributed or talked about with anyone else.
That being said, I feel transistors HAD to exhist in some capacity with the enclave/their extensive and complex AI

Or......Aliens...Aliens made transistors and gave them to cabot. Fallout problems solved :]

[Dimathiel]

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Have you considered that not everything written/typed in a terminal may be true or accurate?

What's your point?

You might as well assume everything might be untrue.

That being said why would it be? It's the first and only direct reference to the creation of transistors in the whole universe. There are a few small mentions but no where else does it describe a transistor.

So you're saying someone post war made up terminal entries regarding the creation of electronics with transistors?

Also the terminal is in the cabot house...

As in the only other smoothskins in the commonwealth older than you.

Not necessarily the one in the Cabot House, but how many of us have fiction on our terminals (aka laptops, desktops, mobile devices)? Is it not possible than the denizens of the Fallout world did not also have fiction on theirs?