Level 10 special

[suilles]

If I'm level 10 on my special then find the bobble head thing for one of them does it stay at 10 or change to 11 and always stay there?

[Humble]

If you playing long term game (over 500 hours), don't pick up untill till you max 10, then it's go 11, but if you playing short term (less than 100 hours), then pick up whatever you see as it's not worth it to wait long, long time level up over 100 to 150 after you put perk match your gameplay.

[suilles]

I don't care to restart so...
But I thought it was like fallout 3 that 10 was max and if you pick it up them that the point was lost.

[Humble]

Only special book don't gave you more than 10, bobblehead do gave you point more over 10 but that is very long time to level after you put perk skill, often it's might about took 50 level to max every 10 without put perk skills but most player want to put perk skill they want or need first before special perks.

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

You can take all special to 11 and one to 12. I use usually Youre special when I got stats 11. Then I consume certain drug that lover one selected to 9. Then pickup Youre special book. NOTE. do not touch Youre special book, store or interact it with dog meat....

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

You can take all special to 11 and one to 12. I use usually Youre special when I got stats 11. Then I consume certain drug that lover one selected to 9. Then pickup Youre special book. NOTE. do not touch Youre special book, store or interact it with dog meat....

You usually want to use the You're SPECIAL! book before the bobbleheads, since the book requires the score to be less than 10, while the bobbleheads can increase it regardless of the current score (so you only need a -1 penalty to bring a score of 10 down and reach 11 with the book, then 12 with the bobblehead).

There are a variety of ways to temporarily reduce scores that you want to increase with the book, though a bunch of them are only available in survival difficulty, and reductions from addiction don't help (but the standard effects of a drug work fine). I've played around with the book quite a bit because I wanted to see what I could do with just game glitches, without using console commands or game mods.

[suilles]

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

You can take all special to 11 and one to 12. I use usually Youre special when I got stats 11. Then I consume certain drug that lover one selected to 9. Then pickup Youre special book. NOTE. do not touch Youre special book, store or interact it with dog meat....

i know of the dog meat trick to copy the book but i wanna play fair and not cheat...

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by suilles:

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

You can take all special to 11 and one to 12. I use usually Youre special when I got stats 11. Then I consume certain drug that lover one selected to 9. Then pickup Youre special book. NOTE. do not touch Youre special book, store or interact it with dog meat....

i know of the dog meat trick to copy the book but i wanna play fair and not cheat...

It can certainly get a bit extreme if you play around with it, but Dogmeat is too fiddly as a duplication glitch. But even with easier methods, the books behave a bit oddly in stacks, so anyone wanting to really exploit them will have their work cut out for them (I ended up lining up about a hundred of them for Perception).

But for just a single use it's not too extreme or difficult, you just need to find something to penalize the right SPECIAL score.

[suilles]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by suilles:

i know of the dog meat trick to copy the book but i wanna play fair and not cheat...

It can certainly get a bit extreme if you play around with it, but Dogmeat is too fiddly as a duplication glitch. But even with easier methods, the books behave a bit oddly in stacks, so anyone wanting to really exploit them will have their work cut out for them (I ended up lining up about a hundred of them for Perception).

But for just a single use it's not too extreme or difficult, you just need to find something to penalize the right SPECIAL score.

i dont see the point in doing that.

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Originally posted by suilles:

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

You can take all special to 11 and one to 12. I use usually Youre special when I got stats 11. Then I consume certain drug that lover one selected to 9. Then pickup Youre special book. NOTE. do not touch Youre special book, store or interact it with dog meat....

i know of the dog meat trick to copy the book but i wanna play fair and not cheat...

I havent use dog meat clitch ever. They say that betsheda fixed dogmeat bug. Same time stored Youre special did not work at all. It seems that any imteraction uses it. That why I said not touch, use dog meat or store it.... Before that I usually stored book in workshop mode, build sanctuary and use book from workbench when I needed it. Nowdays I always spare SS house until I need book.

I dont use book before I needed because levelling is so fast. I feel more stat 12 is more needed later than raise one stat faster.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by suilles:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

It can certainly get a bit extreme if you play around with it, but Dogmeat is too fiddly as a duplication glitch. But even with easier methods, the books behave a bit oddly in stacks, so anyone wanting to really exploit them will have their work cut out for them (I ended up lining up about a hundred of them for Perception).

But for just a single use it's not too extreme or difficult, you just need to find something to penalize the right SPECIAL score.

i dont see the point in doing that.

I personally enjoy playing around within the rules of the game to see what I can achieve.

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

Originally posted by suilles:

i know of the dog meat trick to copy the book but i wanna play fair and not cheat...

I havent use dog meat clitch ever. They say that betsheda fixed dogmeat bug. Same time stored Youre special did not work at all. It seems that any imteraction uses it. That why I said not touch, use dog meat or store it.... Before that I usually stored book in workshop mode, build sanctuary and use book from workbench when I needed it. Nowdays I always spare SS house until I need book.

I dont use book before I needed because levelling is so fast. I feel more stat 12 is more needed later than raise one stat faster.

I favour the conveyor storage duplication glitch because it's relatively easy to set up as a continuous loop.

As for the book, it's triggered by an interaction when it's sitting out as a visible world object, but not when moved directly between containers or creature inventories. If you do duplicate it, each copy can provide one SPECIAL point increase, but if you have stacks of multiple books with some used and some unused, you won't necessarily be able to tell what you'll get when you try to pick up the stack.

If you're not the sort to exploit glitches, duplication could still be useful if you messed up and wasted the point from the original book. Likewise, conveyor storages can be used to put away an unused book without triggering it or duplicating it.

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

I may use some mods that others say cheats like
Uncapped Settlement - Which remove daily and total production cap. It means that If I assing
6 settlers to scavenging tables, I get right amout stuff, even total 100 junk is full. I dont count this
cheat because I could just travel settlement to settlement taking stuff... So its do in game terms, but removing silly caps... So If I put 10 bar, I get what 1 bar x 10 profuce caps.... I wont give me
extra for nothing. I still must have that production in settlement. I dont build more than one of each store per settlement.

[kaffekoppen]

It's your game. I don't mind cheating in singleplayer games sometimes, but it makes me take them less seriously.

This is why I haven't used the book exploit although I've been aware of it for a long time.

I want my character to be juuuuust right, and knowing I used an exploit would just keep bothering me ever so slightly :)

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by kaffekoppen:

It's your game. I don't mind cheating in singleplayer games sometimes, but it makes me take them less seriously.

This is why I haven't used the book exploit although I've been aware of it for a long time.

I want my character to be juuuuust right, and knowing I used an exploit would just keep bothering me ever so slightly :)

I don't consider exploits to be cheats, but when using them, I also keep within the game's rules when handling bugs and the like. If I'm using the game's exact rules, I take the good and bad together, or there wouldn't be any point to it. Some I might not use because they're not fun, but that's a different priority.

The book has a return that's about equivalent to the in-game effort you put into using it. If you just use it once, it only gives you a single point anyway, and you had to buy everything else (like spending an extra perk point), so having the score be higher is a fair reward. Even with duplication, there's a bunch of work to do setting things up and gathering materials, so it's not like you're getting something for nothing. I've explored what I can do with exploiting duplication of the book, and it's like a quest of its own producing all the duplicates and gathering all the different things you need that can drain scores.

[kaffekoppen]

I can't say I follow that line of reasoning. It doesn't take much effort to exploit the book.

Keep in mind I'm not telling you what to do in your game. I've exploited the heck out of many games, and I really don't care what you do, it's just that by now I've seen several people being told to use this exploit and how it's totally fair. All I want is to call it what it is, an exploit. My reason is to make it clear to people who do not want to use exploits that you cannot legitimately obtain a natural 12 in any of your attributes. This is something some people obsess over and will make new characters.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by kaffekoppen:

I can't say I follow that line of reasoning. It doesn't take much effort to exploit the book.

It takes hunting up a particular thing for various scores, and you end up spending one more perk point than usual (since otherwise you'd use the point to get the score up to 10).

Originally posted by kaffekoppen:

Keep in mind I'm not telling you what to do in your game. I've exploited the heck out of many games, and I really don't care what you do, it's just that by now I've seen several people being told to use this exploit and how it's totally fair. All I want is to call it what it is, an exploit. My reason is to make it clear to people who do not want to use exploits that you cannot legitimately obtain a natural 12 in any of your attributes. This is something some people obsess over and will make new characters.

The small amount of effort involved is basically fair in return for the small benefit of a score that's only one point higher.

As for whether or not it's genuinely an exploit, what do you consider is necesssary for something to qualify? For example, what makes this different to waiting until you reach 10 in a score before taking a bobblehead in order to get 11?