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Check out Gopher's video here (see below).
Gopher pretty much nails it about the rip off business model that is Creation Club.
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Vyvyvn Sep 10, 2017 @ 1:40am 
Yes, Because every youtuber who thinks they're big hasn't covered this topic to death already.
Ilja Sep 10, 2017 @ 1:58am 
That is more of a series from Gopher. As opposed to most YouTubers covering this, he has both education and experience for technical know-how.

I am also part of his community. He should be well aware of what is going on in forums and with the game.

I would pay more attention what Gopher has to say than to most YouTubers shouting outside of the scene.
Hobo Misanthropus Sep 10, 2017 @ 2:05am 
Yes, keep milking that ad revenue from the drama.
Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:
Yes, keep milking that ad revenue from the drama.
Gopher is a good authority on the modding community. Have you seen how many helpful tutorials he's made for the modding community?

I'm getting a lot of comments here recently on steam by people who don't seem to know much about the modding community, specifically the PC modding community and the youtube guys related to it.

This ''drama'' seems to have some seriously damming evidence to show that Bethesda made a serious mistake. Check out this video, specifically into 7 minutes. Here you will see Oxhorn pointing out mistakes in mesh clipping with the Creation club's Helfire armor. - after they try to point out how quality assured the joke shop's content is claimed to be... just watch Oxhorn's video and try not to think people are trying to profit from youtube videos. Hobo, there are some serious issues going on here. just know this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcEDhsNPN78
Aahzmandias Sep 10, 2017 @ 2:19am 
It's a very good youtube video. Explains, how I feel about that, too.

I am one of the people, who only bought Bethesda games, because I am able to mod the game.

I wouldn't even had considered to buy Morrowind, if I they had not included the creation kit in their game.

They even get the benefit, that modders give them idiea for their next game. creating content, they can implement in the next iteration of their games.

Even the unofficial patches, that came up for their games, let them cut down expenses on bugfixing.

They benefit a very great deal from modding itself.

And they sell even more game units, for a longer period of time, because modding extends the lifetime of each one of their games.

Selling microtransactions in their games now, calling them mini-DLC, now, for exorbitant prices feels just wrong. That's tthe real problem, here. The execution of the CC is just terrible.
Last edited by Aahzmandias; Sep 10, 2017 @ 2:21am
Hobo Misanthropus Sep 10, 2017 @ 2:20am 
Not giving drama fishers ad revenue, sorry.

Everything that needed to be said, was said the first day. They're just trying to keep that sweet sweet Adsense money coming in for a whole week.
Last edited by Hobo Misanthropus; Sep 10, 2017 @ 2:20am
Ilja Sep 10, 2017 @ 2:30am 
Boss actually said this in the video.

Stop turning it in to one of the biggest drama points in the company history.

It is true that Gopher gets his living from YouTube. For the sake of transparency: I am his subscriber and also paying monthly to keep his channels and streams alive.
Andreas Sep 10, 2017 @ 3:05am 
Originally posted by STURM-KATTEN SC-KL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duuP2uSFzlU

Gopher is a nostalgic fool and a bethesda fanboy. His opinions mean nothing..
Dex Sep 10, 2017 @ 3:26am 
Originally posted by Knight-Commander CYP:
Originally posted by STURM-KATTEN SC-KL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duuP2uSFzlU

Gopher is a nostalgic fool and a bethesda fanboy. His opinions mean nothing..

The fact that you call him a fanboy says a lot. He IS a fanboy of Bethesda and if he's saying what he's saying? You know ♥♥♥♥ is serious lol
Originally posted by Knight-Commander CYP:
Originally posted by STURM-KATTEN SC-KL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duuP2uSFzlU

Gopher is a nostalgic fool and a bethesda fanboy. His opinions mean nothing..
Right, unfortunately, this won't send me into a flailing rage. What's your actual point?

Why comment?
Nish-Ki Sep 10, 2017 @ 4:02am 
Sounds like he's trying to get views on youtube and nothing more. He doesn't discuss an solutions, just says what everyone else knows. There are other's out there who post videos on how Bethesda can improve and what to avoid. This video didn't help in anyway
Sorry if you are a fan of him. I'm sure he posts proper content when not monologing
Simple Man Sep 10, 2017 @ 4:19am 
Originally posted by STURM-KATTEN SC-KL:
Check out this video, specifically into 7 minutes. Here you will see Oxhorn pointing out mistakes in mesh clipping with the Creation club's Helfire armor. - after they try to point out how quality assured the joke shop's content is claimed to be..
Don't need to watch a video either. Theres a fix on the nexus for the shotgun on the CC too, as it doesn't work correctly either. Bethesda QA.

Leave it to the 6 or 7 usual forum drones to play dismissive and how its gopher just mliking it, rather funny. Gopher of all people, the fellow that gave the CC all the chances in the world, when they announced it.
Ilja Sep 10, 2017 @ 4:42am 
Originally posted by kodiak.pw:
Leave it to the 6 or 7 usual forum drones to play dismissive and how its gopher just mliking it, rather funny. Gopher of all people, the fellow that gave the CC all the chances in the world, when they announced it.

I too gave all the chances in the world, when they announced it. It is all the same to me, if they want to sell micro DLCs. What comes to Gopher, this has been a series of videos. His original reaction was pretty much same as mine.

This is pretty much the case of "How the hell did they managed to take all the potential that CC had and throw it all away?"

Bethesda had the chance of creating actual curated DLC store for skilled developers and hobbyists, but they went with small paid mods for PS4. That decision turned a lot of heads and opinions. Including my own.

It was getting obvious that this would go south, when technical information of ESL file format appeared. I doubt anyone was actually expecting something from CC at that point.

Also, like with Curated Workshop, Bethesda is tripping to their poorly planned technical solutions. I wish they would have talked with the community before releasing CC. It is good that they are speaking with us now, but I think it is leading nowhere.
kaffekoppen Sep 10, 2017 @ 4:50am 
Originally posted by kodiak.pw:
Don't need to watch a video either. Theres a fix on the nexus for the shotgun on the CC too, as it doesn't work correctly either. Bethesda QA.

This is the thing that really gets me. They haven't QAed the base game properly and left bugs completely unfixed like perks that don't do what they say and broken quest lines (they are "done" with the game apparently). How are we supposed to take it seriously when they promise to QA these paid mods?

Now we get actual proof that they haven't QAed the CC mods properly.

And don't forget, Bethesda leaves it to the modding community to fix their game's bugs FOR FREE, and now they feel like they apparently aren't benefitting enough from mods?

This is coming from someone who loves Fallout 4 and most previous Bethesda games and would still gladly throw good money at Bethesda if they bothered to make more actual content. There's just something blatantly greedy about the CC. Bethesda can do what they want, but I'm still a bit annoyed with how they are treating their fanbase.

All that said, I haven't been part of the review bombing process and I won't be. I love Fallout 4 such as it is, and at least you can easily just not buy anything from CC.
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