Anyone else find it ironic Fallout 4 got a metacritic score of 84?

[Lord Tony]

So for those of you that don't know your history.

If NV got an 85 on metacritic they will get royalties of the sales. They got an 84 and almost went bankrupt because they were hoping for that bonus.

Fallout 4 ironically gets an 84 and gets to keep their royalties without the feeling of hypocrisy. lol

[Von Faustien]

引用自 Morrandir：

引用自 jrr101：

Unless its the user score meta critic than its easy as hell to manipulate

user scores are not used, only scores from professional reviewers. User scores are separate, they are not taken into consideration.

ps:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4/critic-reviews

this is the basis of the metacritic score, the user scores are in a separate category. It is the critic review scores that make up the metacrtitic metascore.

And this is the one for fallout new vegas:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-new-vegas/critic-reviews

anyone who looks at this and can even think that bethesda played any part in obsidian not hitting the mark is clearly not aware of how impossible a task this would be.

yes it is unfortunate that they missed the required minimum by one point, but making any sort of issue out of this or trying to look for something behind this is clearly absurd.

people should really stop acting emotionally and just accept the facts for what they are.

My point was metacritic has both the professional review score average as well as a user score and that the user score has many many times been manipulated.

[Von Faustien]

引用自 Morrandir：

引用自 nomadpad：

me too, i also remember wasting caps on weapon parts/mods, just to install them and the weapon not look different at all. weapon modification in NV was sloppy.
the armor desings also felt sloppy. and neither of the factions had cool armors , so i had to settle for the heavy leather armor, that also looked like ♥♥♥♥...
people love the desert ranger armor, but it looks pretty ♥♥♥♥ to me too. too much wild west vibe to it.
The weapon options? too many lever action rifles, too lottle automatic weapons, and most where underpowered.

Most npcs that werent from a faction, looked like a godamn cowboy or rancher.

no merceneray groups, almost no raiders(only an area has raiders. sure there some bandit gangs in the game but most are ♥♥♥♥ or scripted into ambushes. almost no roaming baddies), almost no mutants. Few ghouls.

And all factions were naturally friendly unless you provoked them.

elite riot gear still best armour in all fallout

Im a fan of the midwestren power armor and my 2 metal armor from tactics the cape is bad ass.

[Morrandir]

引用自 jrr101：

引用自 Morrandir：

user scores are not used, only scores from professional reviewers. User scores are separate, they are not taken into consideration.

ps:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4/critic-reviews

this is the basis of the metacritic score, the user scores are in a separate category. It is the critic review scores that make up the metacrtitic metascore.

And this is the one for fallout new vegas:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-new-vegas/critic-reviews

anyone who looks at this and can even think that bethesda played any part in obsidian not hitting the mark is clearly not aware of how impossible a task this would be.

yes it is unfortunate that they missed the required minimum by one point, but making any sort of issue out of this or trying to look for something behind this is clearly absurd.

people should really stop acting emotionally and just accept the facts for what they are.

My point was metacritic has both the professional review score average as well as a user score and that the user score has many many times been manipulated.

the user scores are not used in the metacritic metascore though, they are a separate category, not used on pages such as the steam store page for a game.

[nomadpad]

引用自 jrr101：

引用自 Morrandir：

user scores are not used, only scores from professional reviewers. User scores are separate, they are not taken into consideration.

ps:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4/critic-reviews

this is the basis of the metacritic score, the user scores are in a separate category. It is the critic review scores that make up the metacrtitic metascore.

And this is the one for fallout new vegas:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-new-vegas/critic-reviews

anyone who looks at this and can even think that bethesda played any part in obsidian not hitting the mark is clearly not aware of how impossible a task this would be.

yes it is unfortunate that they missed the required minimum by one point, but making any sort of issue out of this or trying to look for something behind this is clearly absurd.

people should really stop acting emotionally and just accept the facts for what they are.

My point was metacritic has both the professional review score average as well as a user score and that the user score has many many times been manipulated.

ehh i only trust reviewrs such as ACG, since he really judges the game for what the item is in itself. he uses no scoring sheet, but the sceme of "Buy, Wait for Sale, Rent, Never Touch".
in other words he keeps it real.
here is an example on how review should feel. sure he was critical of some flaws, mostly because of the engine of the game itself. but it is a honest fair review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs5WQ6CWFw0

[GoreTiger]

引用自 ZM | Dr. Dro：

引用自 KrayToast：

What does being the owners of the IP got to do with it?
Doesn't take away the irony of them promises a bonus and denying it by 1 point but then award themselves a bonus for getting the same score they denied Obisidian over.

No irony, Obsidian was contracted off, BGS isn't. Besides, Fallout 4 sold markedly well - far better than New Vegas did, and it also has a much larger player base. That's what ultimately counts, besides, are you really getting your rocks off on some bonus money that devs would be awarded (and not for development purposes?).

Actually, Fallout 4's success is measuring up to be just as big as Skyrim's, and that isn't exactly an easy feat to accomplish - one certainly beyond Obsidian's skills as game developers. Not one of their later projects has been as successful as Fallout NV, including Stick of Truth - backed by the gigantic South Park IP - and this is what genuinely :jarate:'s you guys off - their greatest product is nothing but a spinoff, a mere expansion under the shadow of a much larger and successful dev.

You guys can hate all you want, you guys lost everything. The IP, the popularity, the bonus, the this and the that and no amount of whining and negative reviews will change that.

You can't compare Fallout 4, and New Vegas when it comes to Hype quality sales. Fallout 4 had the Hype of a brand new engine, an 8 year waiting period, A brand new settlement system, And Bethesda's massive marketing team behind it. Fallout 4 is a next-gen game. Trying to compare the two is basically like trying to compare ps3 to ps4 and bragging that ps4 is better.


A better comparison would be fallout 3 vs fallout New vegas in sales. And when you look at the numbers, New Vegas did pretty damn good. They didn't have as much Hype, Marketing build-up,or team size as Bethesda did with fallout 3, But they still sold Almost as well.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/504477/global-all-time-unit-sales-fallout-games/

And Honestly, I don't really feel like arguing this with you anymore, because every topic this always happens with you, You blatently hate New Vegas, and You're a complete Bethesda-Drone when it comes to fallout 4, So it's not really worth debating you about it.

[GoreTiger]

引用自 Morrandir：

引用自 KrayToast：

You were talking about Publishers rushing content and the intent to kill game reviews, I mentioned Mass Effect 3 because thats pretty much exackly what happened to it.

Do you even realise how ridiculous your allegations are. You are seriously stating that an investor would willingly flush their money down the toilette? And what were they supposed to gain from this?

Being a gamer should not mean being detached from logic and reality.

Not Ridiculous at all, If you look into the back story of ME3, You'l find out how EA was angry at Bioware for how they thought it took too long between me1 and me2, So halfway through the development of me3, They changed the release date scheduale, Told them to scrap most of their ideas, and do a quick finish-up. Even tho the developers warned them it was a bad Idea. And it showed with how badly ME3 Got torn up in Reviews. And that gawd-awful ending.

You could almost say the same thing about Andromeda too, Just with the SJW stuff.

[Lord Tony]

Bethesda drones are probably the worst thing that has happened to the fallout community.

[GoreTiger]

引用自 Morrandir：

引用自 KrayToast：

Wrong.
https://www.destructoid.com/obsidian-missed-metacritic-bonus-for-fallout-new-vegas-223897.phtml

A contract is a contract, there is no "but we missed by one point". You get what is owed to you by contract, not more, not less.

If Bethesda had screwed obsidian like the clearly ignorant people claim obsidian would have been able to take Bethesda to court and sue them for breach of contract, but they didn't even try. Do you know why? Because they would have no case whatsoever to make.

Time to wake up to reality.

Ok, again Heres where your wrong and need to read a little more into what you're talking about.

Part of that contract that Obsidian and Bethesda made,Stated Bethesda would bug-test the game AFTER Obsidian got done developing it.
There was a schedualed timeframe for Bethesda to get it done. But mysteriously they got done with there bug-testing 2 months Ahead of scheduale.

Now the bonus part of the contract all relied on A 85 metacritic Rating, Which is determed by reviews.
And if you look at most of the reviews for New Vegas, Whats the big thing they got marked down for?

Bugs and Glitches.

The very part of the contract which Bethesda themselves were in charge of taking care of, Was the weakest part of the game, and was what Held New Vegas back from getting its 85 metacritic rating.


So yeah, Bethesda screwed Obsidian out of a Bonus. It was Bethesda's responsibility towards the game that became the Games biggest weakness.

So if the Obsidian and Bethesda deal has taught us anything, It's that you dont want to make deals with Bethesda.

[nomadpad]

引用自 Lord Tony：

Bethesda drones are probably the worst thing that has happened to the fallout community.

nah, the obsidrones and NMA toxic community are the worst thing that happened to fallout.

[GoreTiger]

引用自 nomadpad：

引用自 Lord Tony：

Bethesda drones are probably the worst thing that has happened to the fallout community.

nah, is the obsidron and NMA toxic community the worst thing that happened to fallout.

New Vegas was More True of a fallout game than 3 was, So had does that even make any sense?

[nomadpad]

引用自 KrayToast：

引用自 Morrandir：

A contract is a contract, there is no "but we missed by one point". You get what is owed to you by contract, not more, not less.

If Bethesda had screwed obsidian like the clearly ignorant people claim obsidian would have been able to take Bethesda to court and sue them for breach of contract, but they didn't even try. Do you know why? Because they would have no case whatsoever to make.

Time to wake up to reality.

Ok, again Heres where your wrong and need to read a little more into what you're talking about.

Part of that contract that Obsidian and Bethesda made,Stated Bethesda would bug-test the game AFTER Obsidian got done developing it.
There was a schedualed timeframe for Bethesda to get it done. But mysteriously they got done with there bug-testing 2 months Ahead of scheduale.

Now the bonus part of the contract all relied on A 85 metacritic Rating, Which is determed by reviews.
And if you look at most of the reviews for New Vegas, Whats the big thing they got marked down for?

Bugs and Glitches.

The very part of the contract which Bethesda themselves were in charge of taking care of, Was the weakest part of the game, and was what Held New Vegas back from getting its 85 metacritic rating.


So yeah, Bethesda screwed Obsidian out of a Bonus. It was Bethesda's responsibility towards the game that became the Games biggest weakness.

So if the Obsidian and Bethesda deal has taught us anything, It's that you dont want to make deals with Bethesda.

nah they screwed themleves over. they should learn to make deals, and to meet requirements.

[nomadpad]

引用自 KrayToast：

引用自 nomadpad：

nah, is the obsidron and NMA toxic community the worst thing that happened to fallout.

New Vegas was More True of a fallout game than 3 was, So had does that even make any sense?

negative, New vegas was the least fllout of them all in terms of envirotment and settings. it felt like a wild wild west, not post apocaliptic. and if it fails in setting, it fails completely.

Fallout 3 and 4, do feel like proper post apocaliptic games centered in the world after the bombs fell.

[Deku Scrub]

引用自 nomadpad：

引用自 Lord Tony：

Bethesda drones are probably the worst thing that has happened to the fallout community.

nah, the obsidrones and NMA toxic community are the worst thing that happened to fallout.

If only Bethesda never purchased the Fallout license and the series faded away after Fallout Tactics.
(Sarcasm?)

[nomadpad]

引用自 Mister Mystery：

引用自 nomadpad：

nah, the obsidrones and NMA toxic community are the worst thing that happened to fallout.

If only Bethesda never purchased the Fallout license and the series faded away after Fallout Tactics.
(Sarcasm?)

nah if bethesda would have never bought the license, fallout ip would be dead. fallout has the fame it carries thanks to bethesda and nobody else.

[Deku Scrub]

引用自 nomadpad：

引用自 Mister Mystery：

If only Bethesda never purchased the Fallout license and the series faded away after Fallout Tactics.
(Sarcasm?)

nah if bethesda would have never bought the license, fallout ip would be dead. fallout has the fame it carries thanks to bethesda and nobody else.

Yet at the same time if it was dead we wouldn't be running these same conversations with people who view New Vegas as the be-all-end-all RPG (someone should get the Witcher 3 guys and haven them fight it out with the New Vegas crowd.)

Besides, a lot of people who worked on New Vegas aren't at Obsidian anymore. In fact, Chris Avellone (one of the head guys on New Vegas) was contracted with Arkane Studios and wrote a majority of the side-quests and NPCs in Prey.