Fallout 4
New to the franchise, how well does FO4 cover the lore?
*No Spoilers Please!*

So I'm completely new to Fallout and I'm already fascinated with the lore and, as such, I'm already trying to resist the urge to Google up all the lore I can find. What I'd like to know is how well the lore of the universe is conveyed through the gameplay. If it is handled well, that's great, if not, are there any spoiler free resources I can visit to get filled in on the backstory without ruining the FO4 experience?

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Well there are lore inconsistencies sadly. I mean there are always a few that happen between sequels but fallout 4 seems to have done it a little more severely.
T-60 never existed in the franchise until Fallout 4 yet the game states it was made before the war. (As far as im concerned, T-60 was a post war invention after the East coast Brotherhood defeated the Enclave with the help of the Lone Wanderer aka the player)
Jet was also changed, in fallout 2 it was invented by a kid named Myron (voiced by the same actor who does Sven in Skyrim btw) Fallout 4 made it exist before the war with some terminals stating it was shipped to one of the vaults.
Ghouls in fallout 4 never need to eat to survive (where as in every game prior they had to eat just like everyone else) Ferals are also able to lunge and sprint without breaking their legs (they have severely brittle bones so in 3/NV they had to shuffle to chase you)

Those are just the major gripes with lore. Otherwise, i dont think much else was changed as far as i'm aware.
I am unable to avoid spoilers regarding past games. But i will stay vague if possible, no details about the events, just summaries.
Ultima modifica da TJ the HedgeScout; 6 lug 2017, ore 16:23
If you want to get a good feel for the Fallout universe Fallout 4 is the last game you should play. It's the least fallout-y game in the series.
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If you want to get a good feel for the Fallout universe Fallout 4 is the last game you should play. It's the least fallout-y game in the series.

Nope the least fallout fallouts are bos and new vegas by nautical mile
New Vegas, man? Come off it. BoS... We don't speak of BoS. New Vegas was superior in gameplay to Fallout 3 and whether you like or dislike the setting, it wasn't a bad game and it most certainly was a Fallout rpg every bit as much as 3 was. But 4... 4 is barely an rpg at all and it's a terrible Fallout game. It's been neutered.
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New Vegas, man? Come off it. BoS... We don't speak of BoS. New Vegas was superior in gameplay to Fallout 3 and whether you like or dislike the setting, it wasn't a bad game and it most certainly was a Fallout rpg every bit as much as 3 was. But 4... 4 is barely an rpg at all and it's a terrible Fallout game. It's been neutered.
I hope Cascadia will fix the lack of RPG that fallout 4 desperately needs.
Personally id say fallout 3 is best for lore, the 2 main factions are enclave and brotherhood of steel. Id reccomend playing that one, or the older ones if shiny graphics arent everything to you :)
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Personally id say fallout 3 is best for lore, the 2 main factions are enclave and brotherhood of steel. Id reccomend playing that one, or the older ones if shiny graphics arent everything to you :)
Funny you should say that considering the BoS in Fallout 3 is VERY different to the BoS portrayed in Fallout 2...

Don't get me wrong, I like the game and I prefere the Fallout 3 BoS, but they are not too far off the polar opposite of the ones from 1 and 2. Ironically the BoS outcasts from 3 are actually closer to the ones portrayed in the previous games. In previous games they just cared about obtaining technology at any means and didn't care about what happened to everyone else beyond that. In 3 they've suddenly decided they need to be the heroes the wasteland deserves or somesuch.
Ultima modifica da Stridswombat; 6 lug 2017, ore 18:50
I'm not sure Fallout 1 even had total Lore yet.

Pretty sure alot of the Lore got revealed in fallout 2.

Fallout 1's a quick game once you figure out the rules, shouldn't take you more than say 10 hours. Covered super mutants and BOS and Deathclaws.

Fallout 2, had a lot of war, told what the war was about, what Vault Tec experiments, the Enclave and history of Western United States. Also cyber dogs.

Fallout tactics is midwestern. pretty heavily removed from canon. I think Canon says you went there and pretty much died instantly. Replaced by the Legion in New vegas for midwestern lore.

Fallout 3 is bethesda's first attempt. they threw a bunch of elements from 1 and 2 with plot inconsistancies. They redid a bunch of things so you have western and eastern things like eastern super mutants, eastern Brotherhood, Eastern enclave.

Fallout new vegas is set in the west and has Western brotherhood, western super mutants, western enclave. etc.

So the only real lore fallout 4 draws from is from fallout 3. and the bulk of the lore was in Fallout 3, haven't noticed much lore in fallout 4.
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Personally id say fallout 3 is best for lore, the 2 main factions are enclave and brotherhood of steel. Id reccomend playing that one, or the older ones if shiny graphics arent everything to you :)
Funny you should say that considering the BoS in Fallout 3 is VERY different to the BoS portrayed in Fallout 2...

Don't get me wrong, I like the game and I prefere the Fallout 3 BoS, but they are not too far off the polar opposite of the ones from 1 and 2. Ironically the BoS outcasts from 3 are actually closer to the ones portrayed in the previous games. In previous games they just cared about obtaining technology at any means and didn't care about what happened to everyone else beyond that. In 3 they've suddenly decided they need to be the heroes the wasteland deserves or somesuch.

Yeah i thought from the first 2 they matured a bit and grew into a nice role for them in 3, putting there stuff to good use. But now in 4 i dont like them at all. When i found em, i was all ready to join up untill he delivered that " all synths are an abomination and need to be wiped out" line

Its like from recluse to good guy to we know best/bigot.....maybe they telling the tale of how power corrupts or something lol

Im undecided on synths so far. Had 2 interactions with em, and i sided with humans once and synths once based on the situation. Maybe il come round to the brotherhoods way of thinking when i learn more. But for now im not impressed with em :)
Ultima modifica da Karmaterrorᵁᴷ; 6 lug 2017, ore 18:58
Yeah I am a die hard Lyons supporter.
But Maxson's ideals and goals on the other hand, i do not support them. I do not believe he cares about civilians, he's only here to nuke the institute and kill all synths... Civilians and Technology be damned.
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New Vegas, man? Come off it. BoS... We don't speak of BoS. New Vegas was superior in gameplay to Fallout 3 and whether you like or dislike the setting, it wasn't a bad game and it most certainly was a Fallout rpg every bit as much as 3 was. But 4... 4 is barely an rpg at all and it's a terrible Fallout game. It's been neutered.

Vegas lacked the look feel and theams that have been in every fallout game since it was called wastland. The fact they had a few more diologe options with no real impact on gameplay or story doesn't magically make it a better fallout game than 4. On its own merits vegas is meh at best but as a fallout it failed on almost every level with its only redeeming qualities being old world blues and dead money how the same studio that made those docs managed to so completely blunder the base games writing world building, map design, characters, factions art style writing, balance and story pacing is a mystery that utterly baffles me.

Vegas isn't as good of a fallout game as 3 its not as good of a fallout game as 4 and it sure as hell doesn't come anywhere near close to capturing the feel of 1 and 2 at best the base new vegas experience sits somewhere under tactics at least the cacultor was a compelling villian and the majore factions were believable.
Fallout, Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are the games that have the most lore consistency.

Fallout 2 and Fallout 4 are pretty bad in their own ways here.
Depends how much of a hard liners for the orignal two you are is the main answer I'd say. Some will go on tyraids about how they broke so much lore but alot has logical explainations.

Ghouls we already know glowing ones heal with radiation so its not that hard to believe they also derive some sustiance after you ghoulify and stuck in a fridge is a rather sedintary lifestyle.

Power armor takes a stretch but I like to think of Boston's Power Armor as a heavy variant while the previous were the infantry variant and being a heavy vairent with bells and whistles and user friendly systems could expalin why they drain cores so quickly.

T-60 could have well been a prototype/early run armor.

Brotherhood I honestly feel its a plot arch of the Brotherhood that in the wake of losing to the NCR their in a time where they must change from their old ways or the world will pass them by, and it seems implied Lyons and his recon force were sent east as a means to try and limit the start of a reform movement.

Jet simple enough is that ideas and inventions don't have to have one origin.

FEV likewise makes sense the government would want to work on seperate vectors given the potential it showed as a nonnuclear superweapon and add in threat of Red China stealth agents and its very plausible sites were intentionally kept seperate/hidden.
Ultima modifica da Anvos; 6 lug 2017, ore 21:30
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New Vegas, man? Come off it. BoS... We don't speak of BoS. New Vegas was superior in gameplay to Fallout 3 and whether you like or dislike the setting, it wasn't a bad game and it most certainly was a Fallout rpg every bit as much as 3 was. But 4... 4 is barely an rpg at all and it's a terrible Fallout game. It's been neutered.

Vegas lacked the look feel and theams that have been in every fallout game since it was called wastland. The fact they had a few more diologe options with no real impact on gameplay or story doesn't magically make it a better fallout game than 4. On its own merits vegas is meh at best but as a fallout it failed on almost every level with its only redeeming qualities being old world blues and dead money how the same studio that made those docs managed to so completely blunder the base games writing world building, map design, characters, factions art style writing, balance and story pacing is a mystery that utterly baffles me.

Vegas isn't as good of a fallout game as 3 its not as good of a fallout game as 4 and it sure as hell doesn't come anywhere near close to capturing the feel of 1 and 2 at best the base new vegas experience sits somewhere under tactics at least the cacultor was a compelling villian and the majore factions were believable.
Not sure what to tell you mate. They did a good job from what they had to work on, because gameplay wise it's a pure improvement over Fallout 3. I used to say for the longest time I preferred the setting of 3 over New Vegas, but I found New Vegas questing more interesting and the setting grew on me. That it's not Fallout themed I couldn't disagree more with. If New Vegas isn't Fallout than neither is 3 nor any other than the original games for that matter.

And seriously, did you just call it worse than 4? The game that damn near choked to death any semblance of rpg aspects the Fallout games are based on? Especially when New Vegas has the same gameplay as 3 but improved. Whether you agree or not on the setting or the lore (which I strongly disagree with you on) it will still always be 10x the Fallout game 4 is because at the end of the day it's a good rpg, something 4 is not and never will be.


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Funny you should say that considering the BoS in Fallout 3 is VERY different to the BoS portrayed in Fallout 2...

Don't get me wrong, I like the game and I prefere the Fallout 3 BoS, but they are not too far off the polar opposite of the ones from 1 and 2. Ironically the BoS outcasts from 3 are actually closer to the ones portrayed in the previous games. In previous games they just cared about obtaining technology at any means and didn't care about what happened to everyone else beyond that. In 3 they've suddenly decided they need to be the heroes the wasteland deserves or somesuch.

Yeah i thought from the first 2 they matured a bit and grew into a nice role for them in 3, putting there stuff to good use. But now in 4 i dont like them at all. When i found em, i was all ready to join up untill he delivered that " all synths are an abomination and need to be wiped out" line

Its like from recluse to good guy to we know best/bigot.....maybe they telling the tale of how power corrupts or something lol

Im undecided on synths so far. Had 2 interactions with em, and i sided with humans once and synths once based on the situation. Maybe il come round to the brotherhoods way of thinking when i learn more. But for now im not impressed with em :)
The BoS were always bigots. That's accurate with what was shown of them in the earlier games. It's Bethesda that redesigned them in 3 which they then decided to backpedal on in 4. Ironically 4 actually has a BoS closer to the the original one than 3 did.
Not well, unfortunately. Fallout 4 "reboots" or redesigns a rather considerable amount of things, most of them not for the better.
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