Stealth is horrible.

[Fawkzi]

I love stealth. I had a stealth build in Fallout 3, New Vegas, Oblivion and Skyrim and I generally like to play stealth based games. When I first started playing Fallout 4 though I didn't bother with stealth but now that I'm on my second playthrough (One i'm using mostly for building settlements) I decided I'd give Fallout 4 stealth a try and good lord is it horrible.

I've got 4 points in stealth, I wear light shadowed armour, the two weapons I use are suppressed (the Deliverer and the Tinker Tom Special) and I've also got the sandman perks as well as the ninja perks to up my damage so I pretty much one-shot regular enemies while hidden. so you'd think I'm set up for some good stealthing right? Wrong. I am getting detected by enemies a floor above me even while moving slowly as I'm crouching. I'll kill an enemy with a silenced weapon from behind only to have enemies through walls and the floor above me alerted to my precences, skipping the entire "Caution" phase and moving right to danger.

Why is stealth not a viable option without a stealthboy in this game? I never used stealth boys in the other games, hell in Fallout 3 I never even used the chinese stealth armour from the anchorage DLC but in this game it seems like Stealth is outright garbage if you don't use a stealth boy, even if you're set up for stealth. Enemy detection range is just insane.

I'm not looking for an easy stealth ride, I like some challenge but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ being detected from so far off makes stealth seem like a complete waste of time.

[Xyzzy]

well you're doing it wrong, i LOVE fo4 stealth, start your buils with 8 Agility.
[stealthboy, never use it don't need it]

[Fawkzi]

Originally posted by Xyzzy:

well you're doing it wrong, i LOVE fo4 stealth, start your buils with 8 Agility.
[stealthboy, never use it don't need it]

I have 9 agility. 7 standard and +2 boosted from armour. Doesn't seem to make a difference for me.

[Xyzzy]

Originally posted by Fawkzi:

Originally posted by Xyzzy:

well you're doing it wrong, i LOVE fo4 stealth, start your buils with 8 Agility.
[stealthboy, never use it don't need it]

I have 9 agility. 7 standard and +2 boosted from armour. Doesn't seem to make a difference for me.

get all the ninja perks,

[Tavman (4)]

Never really had an issue with it. Did you know you can use your follower as a distraction and still get bonus sneak damage?

As for detection, I think you are experiencing a bug.

[Bluesy]

Wow I dunno, my melee steath guy with the blitz perk trivialized the game to the point I just got bored with it and stopped around lvl 20ish. Guns should be just as comically easy...

Check the basics...
Do you leave your pip-boy light on?
Are you/a companion clomping around in power armor?
Do you have any of the stealh perks?

[Kameraden]

Currently have 20 AGI. No Sneak perk but the magazines you can find. Though I get caution a lot, I still sneak attack enemies around every corner when sneaking through a building.

If it wasn't for armorsmith extended, I'd likely only have 16 AGI but still that is a lot.

Issue is, you're still technically undetected when you get a Caution. So you can still land sneak attack blows on enemies.

If it's anything like Fallout 3, NV and Skyrim, weight matters as well. The more weight you carry the less quiet you are as well. Kind of a negative aspect for using lots of armor, and carrying a lot of stuff with you.

[CellNav]

Originally posted by Fawkzi:

I've got 4 points in stealth, I wear light shadowed armour, the two weapons I use are suppressed (the Deliverer and the Tinker Tom Special) and I've also got the sandman perks as well as the ninja perks to up my damage so I pretty much one-shot regular enemies while hidden. so you'd think I'm set up for some good stealthing right? Wrong. I am getting detected by enemies a floor above me even while moving slowly as I'm crouching. I'll kill an enemy with a silenced weapon from behind only to have enemies through walls and the floor above me alerted to my precences, skipping the entire "Caution" phase and moving right to danger.

You've forgotten about applying MUFFLED to your gear. Also, your weapon makes noise. I can go through an entire location with muffled gear (both legs) and use a Powerful Disciples Blade (knife) with AGI gear without ever being detected and kill each mob one by one, without ever getting the caution light to show.

If I use a Searing Puncturing Heavy Stunning Indigo Bat, all bets are off, they heard the "crack" of the bat, as it were ... :/

[Xyzzy]

yeah, i muffle
my feet and Stabilize my arms.

[Archerodees]

I do agree to some extent. It's doable and takes some getting used to, but personally what bugs me most is how enemies have an innate ability to know your exact location when going into caution. For example, I set down a couple of mines and climb up onto the top of a building five or six floors up. I watch as they walk towards the mines and set them off, and when they do the ones that don't die will straight away whip out their guns and point them RIGHT at me, up on the roof of the building.

I don't begrudge them becoming alerted, anyone would. But how the hell would they know exactly where I was, up on the roof when they set mines off on the ground....I could have been anywhere. 50/50 whether they'll blind-fire at me with an equally good chance of hitting me. (Don't get me started on blind-fire)

They seem to point their guns at the location you are at the second they take damage from you, no matter the source and where you are. From guns it mostly makes sense, but silenced? Less so, IMO.

So you have to adapt, wait until they take damage then move. Let them blind-fire, if they're going to, at your location despite being half a mile away, then lay down a mine or trap where you are and move again, as there's a good chance the melee'er will run right at your last location looking for you.

[Dagnasty]

I have 5 in stealth, no muffled or shadowed gear and can ghost right by raiders while crouched. The one killer is that you must be alone or they will all start attacking your companion. What I cant figure out is what good is chameleon? It isn't nearly as good as a stealth boy. With low sneak, they always see you with it on so what does it add?

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Something wrong with how you're playing. Stealth is way too easy, like it has been in every Bethesda game since Daggerfall.

[meritone]

That seems like a bug, never had anything like that happen to me.

[Wolförian Garmdomia]

I like Far Cry 4 stealth compared to Fallout 4 stealth.

In my personal opinion, it's the engine they use.

[United1k]

Full stealth armor, padded, stabilized, muffled boots, all ninja perks, etc... No problem. There is a limit to your stealthiness. If you move around too much they will get a bead on you even if you stop moving. You are not 100% invisible but darn close. You cannot just charge in. You gotta sneek in.

[omegazeda]

Are you sure you're playing same game as me OP, because i can kill room full of bad guys, without it going to caution.