Begins the railroad *asked about code name* *says it's your choice* *says you decide*

[Z0MBE]

Gives you like 5 options altogether, that suck, one more being "desdemona chooses one of the 5 names for you" ----- This games choice system/immersion summed up to a pin. Why cant I just type it in?? lmao!? Or at least select from even more names?

What's really annoying is you ask her for suggestions (ie like 3 more options) Desdemona says " it doesn't work like that, its your life, your rules, you decide!" than only gives you 2 more or "I'll decide for you" - it totally breaks immersion, it just makes me laugh!

Edit: This may be stupidly put - please try to add to the discourse instead of taking away from it. Please, thank you.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by mccafferty.max:

I've expounded numerous times, I feel like I may have said a few points that just confused you.... - main point i guess lol - The game constantly pretends to be about choices, but it's not... that's it full stop.. The actors thing was really a refrence to somebody elses attempt at shooting me down with an overly complex strawman-esc solution

It makes it unclear which part is of actual concern to you.

But to the point, let's consider that Railroad codename scene. What choices did you feel that you weren't being given?

[Z0MBE]

The one that just said, ♥♥♥♥ it, we're doing everything for you anyway so here's your name..... To me, it's a slight of hand, like a magic trick, and to me, I feel like i'm being played for the fool.. Like to me, desdemona going through the effort to say it's about choices and then give me like none - is an offense that's just all out contradictory and... I don't know, untrustworthy.. I don't know, it's just how I feel.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by mccafferty.max:

The one that just said, ♥♥♥♥ it, we're doing everything for you anyway so here's your name..... To me, it's a slight of hand, like a magic trick, and to me, I feel like i'm being played for the fool.. Like to me, it's the game literally trying to squeeze in choices, because it doesn't really have them....

Isn't that giving less choice than allowing you the chance to pick one of the others? When you boil it down, it's just a case of choosing which codename you like most, and having your preferred codename just helps you to feel more like the type of character you're trying to play as a Railroad agent. Sure, it doesn't lead off on any special quest, but neither does having your own pick of hair colour.

I didn't fell like it was an attempt to trick me; I assumed the whole time they would be giving me a codename unless I decided to fight my way out of there. I was a little disappointed not to have a bigger list of names, though, since I do remember the larger lists for the aforementioned examples from Fallout 2.

Perhaps it's just the different impressions we got from that scene.

[Z0MBE]

Ok, That's the point!! The whole entire thought process is this very scenario only exists to help pretend I have choices!!

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by mccafferty.max:

Ok, That's the point!! The whole entire thought process is this very scenario only exists to help pretend I have choices!!

You do have a genuine choice, it's just a cosmetic choice of codename rather than a critical plot junction.

[Z0MBE]

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[Z0MBE]

Im sorry Doug, if I've been salty in my recent texts, I agree that we may just have different subjective impressions... I jsut kinda get mad at f4 for beng so blatent in forcing the player to do one thing or the other...

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by mccafferty.max:

Im sorry Doug, if I've been salty in my recent texts, I agree that we may just have different subjective impressions... I jsut kinda get mad at f4 for beng so blatent in forcing the player to do one thing or the other...

Eh, it's fine. You're talking about what you actually think is wrong rather than just bashing the game and starting a flame war over it.

For me, the codename choice is just a way to roleplay, rather than something intended to shape the plot. One of the things I do find wrong with the dialogue in Fallout 4 is that they usually reduced the preview of what you're going to say to a single-word description, so I can't pick my reliably pick my preferred roleplay choice without saving and reloading. It's fine for me with the codenames because there the single word tells me exactly what I'm getting.

[R.O.T.O.R.]

Originally posted by mccafferty.max:

I just had an opinion! Once! You guys act like i'm taking this to the supreme court - Of course, I stopped caring and kept playing , this question to me, was more or less - just a sign of laziness in game production - they could be not lazy by not adding an arbitrary system that depends on so many variable and just do what works and has worked in the past.... That is a solution!? why not? Why must we delve into how they might achieve that already defined inexplicabiilty...

so they are lazy by adding something to the game but not lazy by keeping something out.
correct me if i'm wrong about my reading of this.

[:bestgamerchina#1最好的中國]

They are stupid, like bethesda always was at some point.
They could completly skip the dialogue and just do it like in Skyrim a short notes/holotapes with orders from Desdemonda (they are rebels after all) with mission/quest instructions where your chosen name shows up.
Skyrim example "I have set 200septims reward on head of SL freak, dead or alive" sorry but i dont remember exact text in those messages. The point is, it put your character name in "blank" space.
No voice actor, no voice, your nickname.
In my opinion if OP put litteraly what she says it is crazy. She says "you have a choice" then gives you 5 possibilities. She should have said something like "Here are nicknames we are willing to give you, pick one "BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEE".

[Von Faustien]

Hey remeber fallout 2 which had no voice acting and did the exact same thing with both your porn name and boxing name? Ah good times

[:bestgamerchina#1最好的中國]

Originally posted by jrr101:

Hey remeber fallout 2 which had no voice acting and did the exact same thing with both your porn name and boxing name? Ah good times

Hey remember when exploraton and RPG games had actual story almost on par with good books instead of STAR WARS 8? Hole shire, good times it was.

One ♥♥♥ said, problem without solution is complaint not a problem, i gave you loosers and OP solution, now its a problem, stop rim jobbing Todd and discuss.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Lemings:

In my opinion if OP put litteraly what she says it is crazy. She says "you have a choice" then gives you 5 possibilities. She should have said something like "Here are nicknames we are willing to give you, pick one "BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEE".

Those are responses given by the Sole Survivor, and thus implied to be your ideas as the character.

Originally posted by Lemings:

They are stupid, like bethesda always was at some point.
They could completly skip the dialogue and just do it like in Skyrim a short notes/holotapes with orders from Desdemonda (they are rebels after all) with mission/quest instructions where your chosen name shows up.
Skyrim example "I have set 200septims reward on head of SL freak, dead or alive" sorry but i dont remember exact text in those messages. The point is, it put your character name in "blank" space.

They still use that sort of thing for radiant notes that you find on bodies telling you where to go find drugs, weapons, and the like.

Originally posted by Lemings:

No voice actor, no voice, your nickname.
In my opinion if OP put litteraly what she says it is crazy. She says "you have a choice" then gives you 5 possibilities. She should have said something like "Here are nicknames we are willing to give you, pick one "BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEE".

No voice is kind of a step backwards; at some point all this should progress to the point of using voice generation instead of prerecorded lines, allowing the game to parse pre-written sentences marked up with emotional emphasis using the voices of different characters. Not all games would benefit much from this kind of technology, but Bethesda designs exactly the kind of games that could make great use of it. Some day....

[troy_cummings]

Originally posted by Lemings:

...The point is, it put your character name in "blank" space.
No voice actor, no voice, your nickname.

But who in their right mind wants a silent game? Voiced NPCs are much more immersive.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by Lemings:

Originally posted by jrr101:

Hey remeber fallout 2 which had no voice acting and did the exact same thing with both your porn name and boxing name? Ah good times

Hey remember when exploraton and RPG games had actual story almost on par with good books instead of STAR WARS 8? Hole shire, good times it was.

Remember when people understood that good and bad are entirely subjective, and people spoke without making gross generalisations, or pretending to speak for everyone? Yeah, they were good times...

Originally posted by Lemings:

One ♥♥♥ said, problem without solution is complaint not a problem, i gave you loosers and OP solution, now its a problem, stop rim jobbing Todd and discuss.

You didn't give a solution, you gave an opinion and presumed we should all agree... Not seeing any solutions there, sorry, so youre part of the problem, and apparently in the rimming queue with the rest of us...