Survival Mode: Melee or Unarmed?

[Richard]

I have started a melee-stealth build on survival. So far with a rocket bat, i feel like a made the right choice. I looked at the unarmed weapons and nothing looked liked it scaled well for the DLC enemies. Anyone play an unarmed only character on the new survival see any benefits against melee?

UPDATE: Answered my own question. Unarmed weapons still take up just as much AP to attack with. Only bonus is they only need Blacksmith to upgrade fully instead of melee which needs high science as well.

Blitz with rocket sledge kills everything from stealth. Unyeilding armor x 2 has put my Agility at 17 (i keep myself irradiated down to only 25% health) and strength at 19. While wearing Grognaks costume i am virtually invisible and hit for over 600 before muliplier. I have to play cautiously and only hunt at night. Slower than running a pistol survival build but more exciting.

[wifeburger]

Playing as a melee based character in Survival mode is like playing as a Mage in Skyrim on Legendary difficulty, it barely works and you're just making things harder on yourself.

[Richard]

So does the sneak multiplier and weapon damage make a glass cannon eventually not work? I was worried about end game content mostly as well as DLC. I do't have issues sneaking but I know that there are some places were you can't sneak (like the institute). Survival as a gun user eventually becomes easy; that's why i am trying my hand at this.

[wifeburger]

Originally posted by imaregular:

So does the sneak multiplier and weapon damage make a glass cannon eventually not work? I was worried about end game content mostly as well as DLC. I do't have issues sneaking but I know that there are some places were you can't sneak (like the institute). Survival as a gun user eventually becomes easy; that's why i am trying my hand at this.

Again, you can try and make it work, but Survival Mode will most likely punish you for it early game.

[tragedy]

download better stealh mod

[ChemicalBacon]

Originally posted by imaregular:

So does the sneak multiplier and weapon damage make a glass cannon eventually not work? I was worried about end game content mostly as well as DLC. I do't have issues sneaking but I know that there are some places were you can't sneak (like the institute). Survival as a gun user eventually becomes easy; that's why i am trying my hand at this.

Sole melee on survival mode is a glass cannon with a tiembomb attached to it and that glass cannon is only able to fire spitballs

[SeriousCCIE]

Let's give the guy credit for playing the way he wants to. Melee in this game is not as robust as it could be, considering it's oblivion with guns.

I would myself get a sense of satisfaction of getting any measure of progress with a stealth melee build on survival difficulty. I would probably have ensured I had a distance weapon for those "oh no" moments when I did not actually see that mirelurk hunter that is now showering me with poison from a distance while I am beating back a few sets of other close range claws.

Sometimes you think you have things under control, and sometimes you are re-loading a save game. And that's outside of survival mode -- I've also stupidly used automatic legendary explosive weapons in close range due to the unexpected eclipsing of a companion or friendly NPC only to have things go swiftly out of favor soon afterwards...

Anyway, survival melee stealth sounds like a worthy goal. I probably would have tried to focus on something small and fast, but those swift to swing weapons are really only good against lightly armored and unaware enemies... where the bats and hammers do a good job of pounding just about anybody.

[Zodiac]

It's all fun and game till you run into anything with #'s. I've died more by Ghouls, Dogs and the giant mosquitos than anything else. You will get shot twice and be under 30% of life. I do stealth with rifles/bombs and i waste 15 mins all the time because of a lucky shot or something along those lines.

I got so scared by survival that by lvl8 gave up on the idea of a pistol play through and went rifles.

I would love to see you go through Bedford hospital as a melee/stealth (supermutants and big dogs) as your going to always pull more than one enemy whole in a building.

If you do this.... explosives better be your BFF.

[SeriousCCIE]

I was going to say my GOAL would be level 20, and my surprise would be level 9 -- your writing level 8 is the actual level of realism I have that tempers the optimism.

It can be very challenging, and thus, very rewarding (if not as to in game loot but as to I was able to do it) pull off getting everyone alerted and still survive in an enclosed area.

It almost seems, though, that many facets of the game were intended to be used for survival mode -- without survival mode, radiation and disease and sleep and all of that is just minor inconvenience, sleep isnt even necessary, you can run and gun and eat random foods and pop a pill for the rest.

But with survival, it pays to carefully plan to avoid the Leeroy Jenkins method I tend to use when encountering a bunch of uncooperative ghouls (which seem to use the same Leeroy tactics). For them, frag mines and stuff are so helpful, but there are more ghouls to go around than frag mines.

None of this helps deal with things in melee, but at least ghouls lose their arms quickly when those are targeted (or blasted off.... it seems that if anyone loses a leg, they die regardless, but losing an arm is but a flesh wound)

[Richard]

Originally posted by Wendy's Sugar Daddy 👌:

Originally posted by imaregular:

So does the sneak multiplier and weapon damage make a glass cannon eventually not work? I was worried about end game content mostly as well as DLC. I do't have issues sneaking but I know that there are some places were you can't sneak (like the institute). Survival as a gun user eventually becomes easy; that's why i am trying my hand at this.

Again, you can try and make it work, but Survival Mode will most likely punish you for it early game.

The question isn't should i or shouldint i. I am lvl 20 now. The question was intended for those that had experience of playing one versus the other.

[Richard]

Originally posted by Zodiac:

It's all fun and game till you run into anything with #'s. I've died more by Ghouls, Dogs and the giant mosquitos than anything else. You will get shot twice and be under 30% of life. I do stealth with rifles/bombs and i waste 15 mins all the time because of a lucky shot or something along those lines.

I got so scared by survival that by lvl8 gave up on the idea of a pistol play through and went rifles.

I would love to see you go through Bedford hospital as a melee/stealth (supermutants and big dogs) as your going to always pull more than one enemy whole in a building.

If you do this.... explosives better be your BFF.

I will go to the hospital soon...i need some fiber optics anyway.

[wifeburger]

Originally posted by imaregular:

Originally posted by Wendy's Sugar Daddy 👌:

Again, you can try and make it work, but Survival Mode will most likely punish you for it early game.

The question isn't should i or shouldint i. I am lvl 20 now. The question was intended for those that had experience of playing one versus the other.

If you want to, nobody is going to stop you. If it'll make the game more enjoyable and add more playtime, then I say go for it!

[torqueblue]

I Tried melee very early on and............it sucks.

However, if you manage to get a few kills to buff adrenaline up, you could pull it off.

A few points into melee perks and wear some Heavy Armor plus Ballistic weave and you survive and deal quick death to your foes. Thing is you're gonna have to work on watching your foes attacks and learn to attack when the time is right and block when needed.

[ChemicalBacon]

Originally posted by imaregular:

Originally posted by Wendy's Sugar Daddy 👌:

Again, you can try and make it work, but Survival Mode will most likely punish you for it early game.

The question isn't should i or shouldint i. I am lvl 20 now. The question was intended for those that had experience of playing one versus the other.

If you want to punish yourself then go for it

[wifeburger]

Originally posted by Chemicalbacon:

Originally posted by imaregular:

The question isn't should i or shouldint i. I am lvl 20 now. The question was intended for those that had experience of playing one versus the other.

If you want to punish yourself then go for it

Maybe he likes being punished?~

[ChemicalBacon]

Originally posted by Wendy's Sugar Daddy 👌:

Originally posted by Chemicalbacon:

If you want to punish yourself then go for it

Maybe he likes being punished?~

Punish me daddy