Nuka World - A Problem with Vassel settlements

[Goblin]

Yo! So I'm through Nuka World with my Mad Max-esque raider character up to the point where you take outposts and vassel settlements. Had no problem giving my arena at Starlight Drive-in to the Pack and then started an assault on Abernathy farm with Disciples in order to gain it as an vassel settlement... oh boy.

First off I started it out as a peaceful negotiation. But even after two persuasion checks (A guy called "Womb-eater" might not be the most charmful person to walk on this planet) that failed, a fistfight and last failed persuasion check he did not give me the farm. I'm new to Nuka-World, so I thought that the second option of assault would kill the settlers and with a sigh I killed everyone to save time.
Once returning to Nuka-World it seems that the settlement actually NEEDS settlers for you to attack it. Well that makes sense, I thought to myself as my head slammed to the keyboard. No, this is not the problem I'm having.
After I got new settlers I began the assault with the Disciples, we soon got control of the farm and everything went smoothly until I realized I couldn't use the workbench there. "You aren't allied to this settlement". What gives? The whole damn place is under my thumb, and I aren't allied?

[TL;DR] Does capturing a settlement as a Vassel settlement remove you the ability to use the Workbench and edit the settlement? No other folks mention this in forums. I'd like to stick true to my Raiderous character and hold the place with the Disciples, but to edit it at the same time to make it a place worthy to everyones favourite little sadists.
I know of the solution to kill off the raiders, but I'd rather avoid that and edit the place while under their control.

[thorgaard]

You have to raise the Disciples' (in your case) flag there. The word you are searching for is "vassal", by the way.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by thorgaard:

You have to raise the Disciples' (in your case) flag there. The word you are searching for is "vassal", by the way.

Sorry! The typo caught up to me from somewhere, thanks for correcting it! But how do I raise the flag if I can't use the Workbench?

[thorgaard]

Originally posted by Perez (Sync):

Originally posted by thorgaard:

... how do I raise the flag if I can't use the Workbench?

Maybe I'm thinking of getting places for raiders in NW proper. It's been a while, so I'm not sure I remember. And since my character has perfect charisma, I've never had to actually fight to take a settlement; I'd just go there and ask "nicelly".

[Goblin]

So the problem still remains unanswered;
After a violent solution can you use the Workbench to edit a Vassal settlement?

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Only way edit vassal settlement is BEFORE taking it. Do Settlement quest and get settlement to Minutemen. Edit and raise settlement to max population. Then take it as Vassal.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

Only way edit vassal settlement is BEFORE taking it. Do Settlement quest and get settlement to Minutemen. Edit and raise settlement to max population. Then take it as Vassal.

Well that shucks. Kinda breaks the immersion to be goody-two-shoes and raise the place up with cages and bloodsacks everywhere while your settlers go like ''You're not thinking of selling us off to those raiders?'' and you reply ''Of course not!'' while putting up a Disciple banner.
QUESTION; If I kill off the Disciples, can I just realign the settlement to normal settlers and edit it and afterwards make it -again- vassal?

[thorgaard]

Well, after my last answer, I opened the game, went to Shank, and got him to assign me to "a persuade settlers to move" mission at Croup Manor. It had been paying tribute. So I went there, verified that the workbench says somethiing like "You're not allied, so you can't use the workbench", and persualded them to leave. The workbench immediately turned on.

I did it again, this time to Coastal Cottage. Same situation, exept CC wasn't paying tribute. When I had the "persuade settlers" mission active, I couldn't access the workbench. But (without engaging in a dialogue with the settler this time) I unchecked the mission, and was able to access the workbench.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by thorgaard:

Well, after my last answer, I opened the game, went to whatzisname, and got him to assign me to "a persuade settlers to move" mission at Croup Manor. It had been paying tribute. So I went there, verified that the workbench says somethiing like "You're not allied, so you can't use the workbench", and persualded them to leave. The workbench immediately turned on.

But on my case I approached with the violent approach

[Commancho]

You can't access the workbench in vassal settlements. You can take over the settlement for your raiders, but you lose a control over it when it becomes vassal settlement. Here is your solution:
www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/17951/

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Originally posted by Perez (Sync):

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

Only way edit vassal settlement is BEFORE taking it. Do Settlement quest and get settlement to Minutemen. Edit and raise settlement to max population. Then take it as Vassal.

Well that shucks. Kinda breaks the immersion to be goody-two-shoes and raise the place up with cages and bloodsacks everywhere while your settlers go like ''You're not thinking of selling us off to those raiders?'' and you reply ''Of course not!'' while putting up a Disciple banner.
QUESTION; If I kill off the Disciples, can I just realign the settlement to normal settlers and edit it and afterwards make it -again- vassal?

Yes and No.
When you kill Raiders, you can do Minutemen quest to retake settlement to minutemens.
When you kill raiders THEY ALL TURN ON YOU. So you cannot make it again vassal becuase Gage and Shanks will shoot you ON SIGTH.

[thorgaard]

Note that you don't have to be alled to the Minutemen to control settlements. You can gain workbench control on your own as well.

Originally posted by Perez (Sync):

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But on my case I approached with the violent approach

I don't think it matters. You can make a settlement Raider either with the violent approach or the persuasion approach.

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Originally posted by thorgaard:

Note that you don't have to be alled to the Minutemen to control settlements. You can gain workbench control on your own as well.

You dont need Preston but settlers prefers still minutemens when you do missions to get those settlements... All settlements except Raiders and DLC ARE MM settlements.

[thorgaard]

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

Originally posted by thorgaard:

Note that you don't have to be alled to the Minutemen to control settlements. You can gain workbench control on your own as well.

You dont need Preston but settlers prefers still minutemens when you do missions to get those settlements... All settlements except Raiders and DLC ARE MM settlements.

Actually, I was tired of Preston from my previous play-through. So I am at level 70 without ever having joined the Minutemen. I have acquired a number of settlements by simply defeating the enemies at those places. There are some settlements which start with settlers. Generally if you complete a specific mission, you can get workbench control over non-allied settements. Unfortnately, I have run out of such non-allied settlements, so the only way I can get them for the Raiders is to attack or persuade my own settlements.

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Originally posted by thorgaard:

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

You dont need Preston but settlers prefers still minutemens when you do missions to get those settlements... All settlements except Raiders and DLC ARE MM settlements.

Actually, I was tired of Preston from my previous play-through. So I am at level 70 without ever having joined the Minutemen. I have acquired a number of settlements by simply defeating the enemies at those places. There are some settlements which start with settlers. Generally if you complete a specific mission, you can get workbench control over non-allied settements. Unfortnately, I have run out of such non-allied settlements, so the only way I can get them for the Raiders is to attack or persuade my own settlements.

I havent met Preston, I leave him Museum. I have 10 Raider settlements and rest are Mine now. When I was making those workbench Quest from settlers, some of those still talk Minutmens when accepting or turn in quest. Game engine still thinks those are MM, even without Preston.

[ForevaNoob Wonemorturn]

Maybe you don't own the settlement, it just agreed to give you food.