ctd when using armor workbench

[Natalie]

can anyone tell me how to stop my game from crashing on both the f4se and the normal verison? my load order is this


Fallout4.esm=1
DLCRobot.esm=1
DLCworkshop01.esm=1
DLCCoast.esm=1
DLCworkshop02.esm=1
DLCworkshop03.esm=1
DLCNukaWorld.esm=1
TrueStormsFO4.esm=1
ArmorKeywords.esm=1
ConcealedArmor.esm=1
SpringCleaning.esm=1
Snap'n Build.esm=1
Homemaker.esm=1
colorful mirelurks.esp=1
dmndhomeplatefloor.esp=1
sdishutters.esp=1
modern firearms.esp=1
classicdogmeat.esp=1
sophie female preset.18b5f6.esp=1
stronger defense.esp=1
mk14.esp=1
handmaderevolver.esp=1
busysettlersrug.esp=1
m82a.esp=1
classicsniper.esp=1
makeshift-anti materiel rifle.esp=1
jetfuelradio.esp=1
charlies barge mod with bridge v2.esp=1
goodneighborradio.esp=1
sanctuaryparts.esp=1
kissmearse.esp=1
ccwigs.esp=1
weightless junk.esp=1
npc spawner.esp=1
walkers.esp=1
SuperMutantOverhaul.esp=1
RaiderOverhaul.esp=1
CBBE.esp=1
BrightStartlight.esp=1
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1
AtomicBeauty.esp=1
SSEX.esp=1
f4_only_infinite_settlement_budget.esp=1
female_player_soldier_fix_robot.esp=1
Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp=1
TrainBar.esp=1
sunshine.esp=1
MysticPinesRetirementSettlement.esp=1
Boston State Prison.esp=1
LoneWolf.esp=1
HairVariations_Elegant.esp=1
HairVariations_FairyTails.esp=1
HairVariations_Sophisticate.esp=1
HairVariations_YoungAtHeart.esp=1
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1
Lots More Female Hairstyles.esp=1
KSHairdos.esp=1
PhysicalUnlocks.esp=1
PhysicalUnlocksAddons.esp=1
NoAffinityCooldown.esp=1
SuperAffinity.esp=1
LongerPowerLines3x.esp=1
Locksmith.esp=1
Live Dismemberment - BrutalNoHeadshots.esp=1
Live Dismemberment - LiebermodeNoHeadshots.esp=1
Live Dismemberment - RegularNoHeadshots.esp=1
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp=1
ReGrowth.esp=1
FogOut Interiors - All DLC.esp=1
LegendaryModification.esp=1
LegendaryModification2LM.esp=1
LegendaryModification2LMAKPatch.esp=1
LegendaryModificationCSA.esp=1
LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp=1
LegendaryModificationMisc.esp=1
Armorsmith Extended.esp=1
LovingCait.esp=1
Danse GTFO Power Armor.esp=1
ASCOCait02.esp=1
ASCODanse02.esp=1
ASCOMacCready01.esp=1
ASCOPiper02.esp=1
Tina's Candy Land.esp=1
SuperMutantClothes.esp=1
NukaRadBans.esp=1
Military Outfit Pack.esp=1
hunterset.esp=1
AzarHolsteredWeapons.esp=1
CheatTerminal.esp=1
TDS_PA_WWII_Paints_Rust.esp=1
WestTekTacticalOptics.esp=1
WastelandFashion.esp=1
WastelandFashionAccessories.esp=1
TschutschiWardrobe_AllinOne_AWKCR.esp=1
Toxic Raider Armour.esp=1
The Network.esp=1
Mercenary.esp=1
Survivalist Go-Bags_AE_AWKCR.esp=1
slootyVaultSuit.esp=1
MGSOutfit.esp=1
KelloggArm.esp=1
DX_Harley_Quinn_Outfit.esp=1
Femshepping_wanderercollection.esp=1
Faction Field Outfits.esp=1
Eli_ArmourCollection.esp=1
DeathstrokeSet.esp=1
CROSS_Cybernetics.esp=1
CROSS_Techmask.esp=1
ConcealedArmor.esp=1
CigaretteInMouth.esp=1
BlackSmoke.esp=1
DX_Black_Widow.esp=1
Heavy BoS.esp=1
ARESTsunami.esp=1
ARESAppleseed.esp=1
AdnamaOutfit_ALLinONE.esp=1
Smoke-able Cigars.esp=1
AkaMoveYourWorkbench.esp=1
WorkingNCMachine.esp=1
WoodenPrefabsExtended.esp=1
Taxidermy_Expanded.esp=1
DD_All_the_COncrete.esp=1
BetterJunkFences.esp=1
OCDecorator.esp=1
OCDecoratorDLC.esp=1
OCDispenser.esp=1
LooksMirror.esp=1
g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays-AID-Vanilla.esp=1
FunctionalDisplays-MISC-Vanilla.esp=1
WeaponDisplays.esp=1
dinoshelf.esp=1
dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp=1
Crimsomrider's Unique Furniture.esp=1
CREAtiveClutter.esp=1
Eli_Crafting Shiz 9000.esp=1
ConstructionLight_MAXBright_Wireless.esp=1
ClothingShelves.esp=1
ArmorTables.esp=1
WindowBoards.esp=1
SettlementWestEverettEstates.esp=1
Prefabs.esp=1
SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp=1
SnapBeds.esp=1
Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp=1
Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp=1
Craftable Airplane Sections.esp=1
CastleRebuilt.esp=1
RRTV_GoodneighborCondo.esp=1
AlootHomePlate.esp=1
NewLooksForCurie.esp.1647C6.esp=1
DWT_Cricket_and_Guards.esp=1
SpringCleaningCompatibilityPatch.esp=1
Perk Magazine Material Fix.esp=1
LF_Backpacks.esp=1
ImmersiveLoversEmbrace.esp=1
LooksMenu.esp=0
BLGUNS.esp=1
CROSS_PlasRail.esp=1
Crossbow.esp=1
DOOMMerged.esp=1
YogHarleyBat.esp=1
MoritasBattleRifle.esp=1
Morita_Battle_Rifle_Animations.esp=1
MP-412.esp=1
Binoculars.esp=1
SCAR-L.esp=1
SpetnazRifle.esp=1
Skibs-WH77Redux.esp=1
Wastelanders XM2076 by giggity12345.esp=1
GaussRifleMk2.esp=1
tumbajamba Advanced Engineering.esp=1
GaussRifleMk2 - tAE - AWKCR.esp=1
CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp=1
BlasTech E-11.esp=1
RangerSequoiaCraft.esp=1
k9tacticalharness.esp=1
M4A1.esp=1
solarpower.esp=1
conquest.esp=1
SignsOfTheTimesPosters.esp=1
50 cal Lovin.esp=1
GruffyddsSignsAndPosters.esp=1
signsofthetimescategorized.esp=1
Weightless Junk and Stuff.esp=1
BowAndArrow.esp=1
HeavyWeaponry.esp=1
Weaponsmith Extended 2.esp=0
ASVektor.esp=1
MikeMooresMCAM.esp=1
DesertEagleSilencer.esp=0
MK14EBR_Apparel.esp=1
redwavereloaded.esp=1
immersivevendors.esp=0

any of these mods conflict. need updating or just plain out removal?

[ronr42]

First, I don't use any mods that add new armors or clothing to the vanilla armor workbench.

Any armor mods you have that are for the Armorsmith Extended workbench should not be the cause of your CTD.

Now, start with the last armor mod you installed for the vanilla workbench and disable it in NMM. Then try using the armor bench again. Rinse and repeat until you find the vanilla armor bench mod that is causing the crash and uninstall that mod.

***As a footnote; I strongly suggest you install SKE[Settlement Keywords Expanded] before you download anymore build menu mods. If you keep adding decoration mods to the vanilla menus you WILL get conflicts between the mods that will cause some items to not be available in the build menus and possibly cause new CTD's. Homemaker and Snap&Build are compatable with each other but several other decoration mods require a patch and SKE to be compatable with the other two.

[SuperSledgeNY]

OP, I hate to tell you but dumping your load order here and hoping something jumps out at someone is like looking for a needle in a haystack. No one is gonna know if any mod needs updating by just looking at your load order. Unless you yourself starts doing some good, old fashioned troubleshooting, you're gonna be stuck with a broken game for a very long time.

Some possible solutions in no particular order:

1. run LOOT to optimize your load order. That alone might fix it

2. Check EVERY single mod and make sure it's updated, along with your game and F4SE

3. Uninstall, not disable, UNINSTALL, your mods a few at a time until you no longer crash. Then install the last batch one at a time until you find the bad mod

4. Verify integrity of game files

[Serpoman]

Too many mods are game breakers. Just play vanilla to actually enjoy the game with less headache.

[SuperSledgeNY]

Originally posted by ronr42:

***As a footnote; I strongly suggest you install SKE[Settlement Keywords Expanded] before you download anymore build menu mods. If you keep adding decoration mods to the vanilla menus you WILL get conflicts between the mods that will cause some items to not be available in the build menus and possibly cause new CTD's. Homemaker and Snap&Build are compatable with each other but several other decoration mods require a patch and SKE to be compatable with the other two.

UNLESS you're installing a mod that the author states SKE is a REQUIREMENT, installing SKE will do NOTHING for your game except eating up a slot in your load order. ALL ALONE, SKE does NOT organize your categories, does NOT clean them up, does NOT fix any bugs, it does nothing. The ONLY time you need SKE is when you're installing a mod that REQUIRES it. Otherwise, don't bother installing it until it's needed.

SKE is a modder's resource that provides a framework of custom categories and keywords for modders to use. It doesn't touch vanilla categories and unless a mod requires it, it's unnecessary.

[Tam]

sps

[chugs]

OP did you ever resolve this CTD bug?

[ronr42]

Originally posted by chugs:

OP did you ever resolve this CTD bug?

At the time I didn't have the info to help the OP. Just in the last couple of days I read what caused that. Concealed Armors uses an outdated version of Armor Keywords[AWKCR]. The simplest fix is to uninstall both mods then re-install Armor Keywords first. After that re-install Concealed Armors and when it asks you to overwrite Armor Keywords choose No. That will stop the armor bench CTD.

[Mourning Star]

Thank you! This was exactly what I needed to do!

Originally posted by ronr42:

Originally posted by chugs:

OP did you ever resolve this CTD bug?

At the time I didn't have the info to help the OP. Just in the last couple of days I read what caused that. Concealed Armors uses an outdated version of Armor Keywords[AWKCR]. The simplest fix is to uninstall both mods then re-install Armor Keywords first. After that re-install Concealed Armors and when it asks you to overwrite Armor Keywords choose No. That will stop the armor bench CTD.

[ronr42]

Originally posted by Mourning Star:

Thank you! This was exactly what I needed to do!

Originally posted by ronr42:

At the time I didn't have the info to help the OP. Just in the last couple of days I read what caused that. Concealed Armors uses an outdated version of Armor Keywords[AWKCR]. The simplest fix is to uninstall both mods then re-install Armor Keywords first. After that re-install Concealed Armors and when it asks you to overwrite Armor Keywords choose No. That will stop the armor bench CTD.

You're welcome.

[Simpson3k]

Finaly a friendly and resonable necromancer :)

[☨ DixiPoowa ☨]

Originally posted by ronr42:

Originally posted by chugs:

OP did you ever resolve this CTD bug?

At the time I didn't have the info to help the OP. Just in the last couple of days I read what caused that. Concealed Armors uses an outdated version of Armor Keywords[AWKCR]. The simplest fix is to uninstall both mods then re-install Armor Keywords first. After that re-install Concealed Armors and when it asks you to overwrite Armor Keywords choose No. That will stop the armor bench CTD.

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOO MUCH !!!!!

[MageThis]

Originally posted by SuperSledgeNY:

OP, I hate to tell you but dumping your load order here and hoping something jumps out at someone is like looking for a needle in a haystack. No one is gonna know if any mod needs updating by just looking at your load order. Unless you yourself starts doing some good, old fashioned troubleshooting, you're gonna be stuck with a broken game for a very long time.

Some possible solutions in no particular order:

1. run LOOT to optimize your load order. That alone might fix it

2. Check EVERY single mod and make sure it's updated, along with your game and F4SE

3. Uninstall, not disable, UNINSTALL, your mods a few at a time until you no longer crash. Then install the last batch one at a time until you find the bad mod

4. Verify integrity of game files

Again, the voice of reason. I don't get how anyone can throw all those mods at a game and not know anything about what they are doing. ZIP, NADA, ninguna.

[ronr42]

Originally posted by DixiPoowa:

Originally posted by ronr42:

At the time I didn't have the info to help the OP. Just in the last couple of days I read what caused that. Concealed Armors uses an outdated version of Armor Keywords[AWKCR]. The simplest fix is to uninstall both mods then re-install Armor Keywords first. After that re-install Concealed Armors and when it asks you to overwrite Armor Keywords choose No. That will stop the armor bench CTD.

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOO MUCH !!!!!

You're welcome.

*You might want to read the comments right above mine.

[Sir Phobos]

Originally posted by ronr42:

Originally posted by chugs:

OP did you ever resolve this CTD bug?

At the time I didn't have the info to help the OP. Just in the last couple of days I read what caused that. Concealed Armors uses an outdated version of Armor Keywords[AWKCR]. The simplest fix is to uninstall both mods then re-install Armor Keywords first. After that re-install Concealed Armors and when it asks you to overwrite Armor Keywords choose No. That will stop the armor bench CTD.

This is what did it for me.

You rock!

[Kazedeus]

Originally posted by ronr42:

Originally posted by chugs:

OP did you ever resolve this CTD bug?

At the time I didn't have the info to help the OP. Just in the last couple of days I read what caused that. Concealed Armors uses an outdated version of Armor Keywords[AWKCR]. The simplest fix is to uninstall both mods then re-install Armor Keywords first. After that re-install Concealed Armors and when it asks you to overwrite Armor Keywords choose No. That will stop the armor bench CTD.

Completed the resolution's fix and CTD still occured. Follow resolution's steps again but loaded in without installing Concealed Armors at all (it was previously deleted). CTD occured but actually opened up the armor workbench before CTD.

Help?