But War...War Always Changes

[danconnors]

Ask the French in World War 2. They were ready to fight World War 1 all over again. But war, war had changed, and they lost their war in 40 days.

Ask the US in the Vietnamese War. We were ready to fight World War 2 all over again. But war, war had changed, and we lost ours after over a decade of constant over confidence.

No two wars are alike; war is changing constantly. And the side that thinks it won't change this time is the side that will lose.

[Yonaga]

It's' a quote "I have never advocated war except as means of peace, so seek peace, but prepare for war. Because war... War never changes. War is like winter and winter is coming." -Ulysses Grant

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both things you quoted came down to cheep bastarrrd armmy's that only buy stuff when too many people die. war never change's

[danconnors]

It's also an ancient quote that men tire of singing, dancing, and other peaceful pursuits, sooner than they do of war. memories forged in war are sharper and longer lasting than any created in peace. And if it were not for war we would all soon be bored to death of peace.

[Morrandir]

War never changes means that even if everything else's changes people will still go to war with each other.

That is also a central theme fallout revolves around. The world could be obliterated and humanity almost extinct but people will still fight each other rather than learn their lesson and cooperate to rebuild civilisation.

[Joe Coffee]

Originally posted by danconnors:

Ask the French in World War 2. They were ready to fight World War 1 all over again. But war, war had changed, and they lost their war in 40 days.

Ask the US in the Vietnamese War. We were ready to fight World War 2 all over again. But war, war had changed, and we lost ours after over a decade of constant over confidence.

No two wars are alike; war is changing constantly. And the side that thinks it won't change this time is the side that will lose.

https://youtu.be/6bOy3RNyWME

[sdack]

Originally posted by danconnors:

No two wars are alike; war is changing constantly. And the side that thinks it won't change this time is the side that will lose.

When you think you've found an aspect of war, which always changes then perhaps you're looking at the wrong aspect.

[Haunt Fox]

While the tactics and techniques of war may change, the general principles and reasons do not. Also, war seems to be a natural function to help check the population of top predators, with few or no natural predators of their own. Other social species have been seen going to war, usually over breakaway packs/troops taking over part of the larger community's traditional territory. Sound familiar?

It's also a factor of evolution; nature wants to drive groups with even slight differences apart one way or another (and if geography won't do, then social barriers will arise.) Nature wants diversifcation, but to get that, it needs to divide, and keep evolving groups from mixing too much (thus re-homogenizing the population, genetically and behaviorially). Intraspecies competition is often more important than interspecies competition, after all, in the long term.


It doesn't matter if you're beating each other with clubs, tearing one another apart with your teeth, or nuking the enemy. Never be fooled by surface appearances, strip those away and look underneath, always; you'll genearlly find one of nature's more unpleasant faces at work in the heart of it all.

[Sarah Palin]

Also from a completely opposite aspect - war never changes in that you are always sending out young people to die a gruesome death, or get maimed, and certainly come back with mental scars. War is hell. War will always be hell.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Sarah Palin:

Also from a completely opposite aspect - war never changes in that you are always sending out young people to die a gruesome death, or get maimed, and certainly come back with mental scars. War is hell. War will always be hell.

It's not always young people. Older people are also recruited when it is deemed necessary.

[Sarah Palin]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Sarah Palin:

Also from a completely opposite aspect - war never changes in that you are always sending out young people to die a gruesome death, or get maimed, and certainly come back with mental scars. War is hell. War will always be hell.

It's not always young people. Older people are also recruited when it is deemed necessary.

True. I guess just "people" would've been a better way to put it, as there are also child soldiers. Regardless, the human toll is how I always took this quote. The mechanisms may change, but the human cost of war never changes.

[AbsynthMinded]

Originally posted by danconnors:

Ask the French in World War 2. They were ready to fight World War 1 all over again. But war, war had changed, and they lost their war in 40 days..

Not because of war changing. They lost the conflict because their allies were decimated by the blitz through northern europe first. The germans simply invaded from the weak side. had the blitz failed or stalled in northern europe, the entire WW II history would be dramatically different. The French would have ultimately held the world together.

[ogreballerina]

Man has always killed man, man will always kill man.

Doesn't matter what weapon we use or where we fight, man is just fufilling his DNA coding.
Our brains have not grown in 20 thousand years, only our capacity to kill has grown,
We are our own worst enemy.

The dead know only one thing..it is better to be alive.

[Simpson3k]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRaVe67pSqo

[Yonaga]

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[danconnors]

Sorry, but the French and British used their tanks as infantry support vehicles, not as independent strike forces, designed to penetrate deep into the enemy's rear. The panzer divisions encircled the best and most mobile French and British divisions who were rushing north to dig trenches as they had in World War 1. After that the outcome of the battle of France was a foregone conclusion.

World War 1 was a war of defense, where the machinegun, barbed wire crusted trenches, and artillery ruled. World War 2 was a war of movement, where the tank and the airplane ruled. In World War One the front stayed almost stationary for years. In World War Two the front could, and did, move by 50 miles or more in a single day. The two wars, only a generation apart, couldn't have been more different.