Fallout 4 vs Witcher 3

[Commancho]

After almost 600h in Fallout 4 and around 200h in Witcher 3 here are my toughts:

ENGINE
Witcher has much better graphics and level of details - from lanscapes, through people and monsters, it has much better animations of every detail starting from hairs to character'ss movement, combat, mouth animation when speaking, it better shows the emotions on the character faces. It has wayyyy more animations and more varied combat. It has more dynamic, varied and immersive weather. Way more varied landscapes, architecture, details of armors and weapons and everything else. Witcher 3 has almost no loading times, when Fallout 4 vanilla has loading almost every freaking location, not to mention heavily modded game when loading times take forever. It feels like next generation comparing to Fallout 4 lol

AUDIO
Both have good soundtracks fitting the theme (I mean classic radios in pipboy). Witcher 3 has much better soundtracks for combat, exploration (if you exclude pipboy's radio) and it's more varied and better when it comes to bold some important event in the story. Witcher 3 has much better dolby surround, you feel that you are in the cave or on the sea while you need to mod your Fallout 4 so it can at least pretend to do so. Witcher 3 has much better voice acting, which could ashame alot of A-class movies, while our (male - because I'vent tried female) character in Fallout 4 is often completly killing the immersion by wrong invocations which are not fitting into a situations or they don't sound like we wanted to say it.

STORY/WORLD
Witcher 3 has much more adult and complex story, it's funny that fantasy world feels more realistic than post-apo. After finishing W3 you feel like F4 is a game for children with these short and not logical dialogues, shallow characters and stories, huge and empty world, colorful and idiotic armors and weapons, generic locations and completly not immersive world.

90% of locations in F4 are generic, they have no hidden/official quests, they ar filled with:
A) Raiders
B) Ghouls / Supermutants
C) Animals

You don't know how they get there, what they are doing there and what is their goal. It seems that they are just waiting/sleeping for the PC to come and kill them. Sometimes you can find some holotope or terminal and read some pre-war stuff, but its just not enaugh and it has no impact on the game. Sometimes it allows you to find some hidden generic items or even more rarely to do some very short (I mean really short) quest. There are maybe 2-3 bosses in the random locations with their own little story that has basicly no impact on the gameplay because all you have to do is just kill them in the way you want to and take their RANDOM loot. There are no rare drops except "legendary" weapons which are not even reskinned weapons of these which exist in the game, but standard re-names weapons with random legendary modification. Moreever drops are not realistic at all since a dog can drop you for example missle launcher (he ate it or what?). Main story is shallow like in every Bethesda game, but this time they went further and it's even worse than in Skyrim, NV or F3. Also there is no ending, you just finish quest and nothing is changing. After completing a main plot I was like "hmm, okay, another quest completed - lets build some settlement". Nonsense.

Meanwhile in Witcher 3 we have dynamic world which is affected by our acts, single npcs or whole factions change their attitude towards us depending on what we are doing. Every location can be a separate and long story, alot of side quests are better and LONGER than main story in Fallout 4. Almost every boss has his own story, often we have to discover it to understand how he get there and how we can defeat him. World feels alive, if not the magic and monsters I would say that it's freaking good simulation of medieval times. You got pubs, bars, restaurants, smiths, barbers, cookers, sailormans, guards, criminals, thiefs, bankers, mages, alchemists, farmers, villagers, rich aristocracy, politicians. Damn, when you enter a Novigrad you can almost smell a diffrent kinds of dinners comming from the restaurants. You see people walking around, buying stuff, sitting in the park or having a conversations! Every village, city, abandoned house have their story and you feel it! Main story is speeding and slowing down in smooth way that allow you to explore this beutiful and immersive world. You don't have such a nonsense like in Fallout 4 where monsters are running 20m from main gates of the city - everything is well tought and placed correctly and with sense.

CRAFTING/BUILDING/MODDING/COMBAT
Witcher 3 has no option to build or mod stuff so points go to F4, altough not everyone has enjoyed thes features in F4. Crafting in vanilla F4 is rather generic and it feels varied, but you end up with the same attachments anyway and you don't need to combine them with your character's progression - as long you give perks for melee all you have to do is to use melee weapon with the most damage and most advanced attachement.

Witcher 3 forces you to choose two or three favorite main weapons, learn how to use them in combat and forces you to learn how to combine it with whole perk trees and other abilities like magic, alchemy or crossbows. Combat requires not only a decent choices of weapons and perks, but also a quite high level of manual reflex, tactic and practice which is very satisfacting with every succesfull combo and finisher.

SUMMARY
Overall I've spended more time in Fallout 4, but that's only because of the mods and building stuff which was something new for me (I've never played Minecraft). However after completing an Insitute ending, building every single setllement/outpost to maximum, exploring every single location and doing almost every single quest I feel really fed up with this game. Last 200h I wasn't enjoying that much like first 100h. Game felt too generic, simplicited, shallow and sometimes childlish. Still I had a good time while playing Fallout 4, which is a good game, but not that epic like Fallout 2 and as Fallout franchise it simply sucks togheter with Fallout 3 and Fallout NV. All Fallouts from Bethesda got alot boh of pros and cons. Quality of their games in this franchise is like rollercoaster - riding upside down during your gameplay. I feel like all of DLCs were not worth of buying at all. They come with shallow and short stories, while being focoused on non rpg aspect of the game - crafting and building. Also aspect which is very bugged, simplicited and generic. We build settlements for the art of building - there is no point of building them since they give us nothing else, but satisfaction and rescources which are not a problem even in mid-game. It feels shallow, because after we have built our great settlement there are no actions involved with it except generic and random raids and same caravans comming from time to time. There are no random encounters, there no strangers, thiefs, bandits or simply anyone who comes to visit our settlement which is sad when you consider how many DLCs have been dedicated for this part of the game. Management of settlements is bugged, has medicore UI and it's not intuitive or transparent.

Meanwhile Witcher 3 has given me an option to experience a great adventure, I felt like I could touch this medival fantasy world. It was one of the games that you will remember after very long time and I'm sure that I will comeback to it after awhile and try some diffrent build and playthrough. After 200h I had absolutly no single moment of boredom, moreover I coudln't belive that it's already game over. Ending was just outstanding and DLCs were very impressive and they setted a new level of quality, as the enitre game.

Witcher 3 is better in every aspect than Fallout 4 except modding and has setted a new quality for cRPG games. Fallout 4 is a good game and nice time killer if you like modding, building and crafting or you are just like to explore wastelands without any other reason, but killing. Fallout 4 can be dissapointing if you don't like modding, crafting or building and you are die hard Fallout 1 & Fallout 2 fan because its wide and shallow like Ocean. It's that generic that even some funny situations or dialogues which you encounter in the game are not longer making you laugh and you just ignore them and desperatly search for some interesting location, boss, item or quest, because unfortunely there aren't many in this game.

[sdack]

One thing though, why post your comment into the Fallout 4 forum when you like Witcher 3 better? What's the real issue you won't tell us about? Is it that you're butthurt and cannot find anyone to agree with you here in the Fallout 4 forum?

Your comparison is just like this guy's iPhone 5 review and all the other ones he made. At least he knows he's faking it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnAodyGkeQ

[Silent J]

Originally posted by Commancho:

After almost 600h in Fallout 4 and around 200h in Witcher 3 here are my toughts:

ENGINE
Witcher has much better graphics and level of details - from lanscapes, through people and monsters, it has much better animations of every detail starting from hairs to character'ss movement, combat, mouth animation when speaking, it better shows the emotions on the character faces. It has wayyyy more animations and more varied combat. It has more dynamic, varied and immersive weather. Way more varied landscapes, architecture, details of armors and weapons and everything else. Witcher 3 has almost no loading times, when Fallout 4 vanilla has loading almost every freaking location, not to mention heavily modded game when loading times take forever. It feels like next generation comparing to Fallout 4 lol

AUDIO
Both have good soundtracks fitting the theme (I mean classic radios in pipboy). Witcher 3 has much better soundtracks for combat, exploration (if you exclude pipboy's radio) and it's more varied and better when it comes to bold some important event in the story. Witcher 3 has much better dolby surround, you feel that you are in the cave or on the sea while you need to mod your Fallout 4 so it can at least pretend to do so. Witcher 3 has much better voice acting, which could ashame alot of A-class movies, while our (male - because I'vent tried female) character in Fallout 4 is often completly killing the immersion by wrong invocations which are not fitting into a situations or they don't sound like we wanted to say it.

STORY/WORLD
Witcher 3 has much more adult and complex story, it's funny that fantasy world feels more realistic than post-apo. After finishing W3 you feel like F4 is a game for children with these short and not logical dialogues, shallow characters and stories, huge and empty world, colorful and idiotic armors and weapons, generic locations and completly not immersive world.

90% of locations in F4 are generic, they have no hidden/official quests, they ar filled with:
A) Raiders
B) Ghouls / Supermutants
C) Animals

You don't know how they get there, what they are doing there and what is their goal. It seems that they are just waiting/sleeping for the PC to come and kill them. Sometimes you can find some holotope or terminal and read some pre-war stuff, but its just not enaugh and it has no impact on the game. Sometimes it allows you to find some hidden generic items or even more rarely to do some very short (I mean really short) quest. There are maybe 2-3 bosses in the random locations with their own little story that has basicly no impact on the gameplay because all you have to do is just kill them in the way you want to and take their RANDOM loot. There are no rare drops except "legendary" weapons which are not even reskinned weapons of these which exist in the game, but standard re-names weapons with random legendary modification. Moreever drops are not realistic at all since a dog can drop you for example missle launcher (he ate it or what?). Main story is shallow like in every Bethesda game, but this time they went further and it's even worse than in Skyrim, NV or F3. Also there is no ending, you just finish quest and nothing is changing. After completing a main plot I was like "hmm, okay, another quest completed - lets build some settlement". Nonsense.

Meanwhile in Witcher 3 we have dynamic world which is affected by our acts, single npcs or whole factions change their attitude towards us depending on what we are doing. Every location can be a separate and long story, alot of side quests are better and LONGER than main story in Fallout 4. Almost every boss has his own story, often we have to discover it to understand how he get there and how we can defeat him. World feels alive, if not the magic and monsters I would say that it's freaking good simulation of medieval times. You got pubs, bars, restaurants, smiths, barbers, cookers, sailormans, guards, criminals, thiefs, bankers, mages, alchemists, farmers, villagers, rich aristocracy, politicians. Damn, when you enter a Novigrad you can almost smell a diffrent kinds of dinners comming from the restaurants. You see people walking around, buying stuff, sitting in the park or having a conversations! Every village, city, abandoned house have their story and you feel it! Main story is speeding and slowing down in smooth way that allow you to explore this beutiful and immersive world. You don't have such a nonsense like in Fallout 4 where monsters are running 20m from main gates of the city - everything is well tought and placed correctly and with sense.

CRAFTING/BUILDING/MODDING/COMBAT
Witcher 3 has no option to build or mod stuff so points go to F4, altough not everyone has enjoyed thes features in F4. Crafting in vanilla F4 is rather generic and it feels varied, but you end up with the same attachments anyway and you don't need to combine them with your character's progression - as long you give perks for melee all you have to do is to use melee weapon with the most damage and most advanced attachement.

Witcher 3 forces you to choose two or three favorite main weapons, learn how to use them in combat and forces you to learn how to combine it with whole perk trees and other abilities like magic, alchemy or crossbows. Combat requires not only a decent choices of weapons and perks, but also a quite high level of manual reflex, tactic and practice which is very satisfacting with every succesfull combo and finisher.

SUMMARY
Overall I've spended more time in Fallout 4, but that's only because of the mods and building stuff which was something new for me (I've never played Minecraft). However after completing an Insitute ending, building every single setllement/outpost to maximum, exploring every single location and doing almost every single quest I feel really fed up with this game. Last 200h I wasn't enjoying that much like first 100h. Game felt too generic, simplicited, shallow and sometimes childlish. Still I had a good time while playing Fallout 4, which is a good game, but not that epic like Fallout 2 and as Fallout franchise it simply sucks togheter with Fallout 3 and Fallout NV. All Fallouts from Bethesda got alot boh of pros and cons. Quality of their games in this franchise is like rollercoaster - riding upside down during your gameplay. I feel like all of DLCs were not worth of buying at all. They come with shallow and short stories, while being focoused on non rpg aspect of the game - crafting and building. Also aspect which is very bugged, simplicited and generic. We build settlements for the art of building - there is no point of building them since they give us nothing else, but satisfaction and rescources which are not a problem even in mid-game. It feels shallow, because after we have built our great settlement there are no actions involved with it except generic and random raids and same caravans comming from time to time. There are no random encounters, there no strangers, thiefs, bandits or simply anyone who comes to visit our settlement which is sad when you consider how many DLCs have been dedicated for this part of the game. Management of settlements is bugged, has medicore UI and it's not intuitive or transparent.

Meanwhile Witcher 3 has given me an option to experience a great adventure, I felt like I could touch this medival fantasy world. It was one of the games that you will remember after very long time and I'm sure that I will comeback to it after awhile and try some diffrent build and playthrough. After 200h I had absolutly no single moment of boredom, moreover I coudln't belive that it's already game over. Ending was just outstanding and DLCs were very impressive and they setted a new level of quality, as the enitre game.

Tl-dr Witcher 3 is better in every aspect than Fallout 4 except modding and has setted a new quality for cRPG games. Fallout 4 is a good game and nice time killer if you like modding, building and crafting or you are just like to explore wastelands without any other reason, but killing. Fallout 4 can be dissapointing if you don't like modding, crafting or building and you are die hard Fallout 1 & Fallout 2 fan because its wide and shallow like Ocean. It's that generic that even some funny situations or dialogues which you encounter in the game are not longer making you laugh and you just ignore them and desperatly search for some interesting location, boss, item or quest, because unfortunely there aren't many in this game.

Oh look it is the thread no one asked for carried over from your discussion in the other thread where you were not getting any traction talking about it. Hopefully this means you can STFU about it there and contain you objectively rubbish opinion to this thread where it will die the lonely death it deserves.

[Commancho]

It's objective comparision of two RPG games with open world.
I posted it here because main part of my review refers to Fallout 4.

Witcher 3 is here just to show how some things should have been done in F4.
If you don't like it - don't read it, simple as that.

I didn't want to derail someone's else thread with going off-top so I've posted my opnion here.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Commancho:

...
If you don't like it - don't read it, simple as that.

You're a bucket full of dumb, aren't you? You have to read it before you know if you like it or not. You cannot objectively decide not to read it because of disliking it before then.

[ronr42]

Ok, I have 200+ hours into W3 and 1,000+ hours into FO4.

FO4 overall is a much better game in my opinion. W3 has a better RPG element but, in All other respects FO4 is far superior. Simple answer is, you can interact with the FO4 Commonwealth and you can't do crap in the W3 world.

[Commancho]

Originally posted by ronr42:

Ok, I have 200+ hours into W3 and 1,000+ hours into FO4.

FO4 overall is a much better game in my opinion. W3 has a better RPG element but, in All other respects FO4 is far superior. Simple answer is, you can interact with the FO4 Commonwealth and you can't do crap in the W3 world.

Interact how? Finishing a main plot is changing nothing except that 2 fractions get blown up. Building settlements has no impact on the world in the game. Nobody comes to your settlement except generic random attacks and one caravan from time to time. There no other fractions. Every location, enemy and encounter is random and generic. After cleaning a location and killing a boss your enemies respawn after 2 days. I don't recall any of my action which has changed sometething in the game except blowing the Core on Far Harbor and destroying BoS ship so they finally have stopped to attack my settlements and they have completly vanished.

[AbsynthMinded]

Comparisons between these games are largely incompatiable. Over arching comparisons about graphics engines aside, enjoyment can not be quantified because it's all in the mind or the participant.

Take 100 people that like video gaming, who have never encountered Fallout or Witcher in any previous incarnation and let them play for 3 hrs of a game in the latest releases on both. Then ask them if they were entertianed. I suspect well over 80% would say both games were entertaining.

That's the only thing the gaming companies care about. Period.

Everything past the 2-3 hr mark is irrelevant because they are not getting a refund and their reviews or public opinions will only carry marginal weight to influence new sales.

[Morrandir]

Fo1 fo2 fo3 and fnv, all far better games than any game in the witcher series, are the games fo4 is to be judged by. Not that highly overrated interactive movie tw3.

[Commancho]

Originally posted by sdack:

Originally posted by Commancho:

...
If you don't like it - don't read it, simple as that.

You're a bucket full of dumb, aren't you? You have to read it before you know if you like it or not. You cannot objectively decide not to read it because of disliking it before then.

Kiddy, you can also read a tittle to understand what is this thread about and if it might be interesting for you or not, just like you can read a tittle of the book or a movie and short description on the back of the cover to see if it MIGHT be interesting for you or not. After reading my review you can give your own opinion if you do agree with something or not. This is called discussion, this is what forum is meant for - not to promote yourself and post rubish content and insults.

Both games are from 2015 cRPG ttitles with open world. Comparision stays valid. I have no problems with describing my feelings. I'm not just saying that world in Witcher 3 feels better - I'm also describining why I think it is this way.

[sdack]

Fact versus opinion for kids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIyt5pEcE_g

Facts about the two games anyone can find and compare are the number of players playing it (totals):

Fallout 4: 1,475,563
Witcher 3: 647,706

Fallout 4 is being played by more than twice as many players. This doesn't include the time both games have been on the market. When taken into account (18 months for FO4, 24 months for W3) then Fallout 4 has attracted not only twice as many players, but done so in a shorter amount of time.

Steamcharts:
Fallout 4 - http://steamcharts.com/app/377160
Witcher 3 - http://steamcharts.com/app/292030

[sdack]

Originally posted by Commancho:

Kiddy, you can also read a tittle ...

You just keep telling us that you have not the slightest idea what an objective opinion is. In order to be objective does one have to read it. Forming an opinion without knowing what has been written can only be subjective. I doubt you'll ever get this into your bucket full as it already is.

[ingus76]

hmm, i am play the both of them - W3 about 800h of playing, F4 more than 1150h playing. Who is better? Two diferent games, i cant compare its, one plot is post-apocalyptic World, second one are good known (from previous parts of game) fantasy World.
If someone would ask me - my answer should be = "you must play the both of them, because both are unique in some of way".

[Commancho]

Originally posted by sdack:

Fact versus opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIyt5pEcE_g

Facts about the two games anyone can find and compare are the number of players playing it:

Fallout 4: 1,475,563
Witcher 3: 647,706

Fallout 4 is being played by more than twice as many players. This doesn't include the time both games have been on the market. When taken into account (18 months for FO4, 24 months for W3) then Fallout 4 has attracted not only twice as many players, but done so in a shorter amount of time.

Steamcharts:
Fallout 4 - http://steamcharts.com/app/377160
Witcher 3 - http://steamcharts.com/app/292030

It means that less people played Witcher 3 through steam and nothing else. Both games have sold good, but also both had completly diffrent reviews and I poinited out a reason. Alot of people (or rather kids and teenagers) will go to cinema to watch another generic Fast & Furious which doesn't make it better than any Quentin Tarantino or Spielberg movie.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Commancho:

Alot of people (or rather kids and teenagers) will go to cinema to watch another generic Fast & Furious which doesn't make it better than any Quentin Tarantino or Spielberg movie.

That's again an opinion. If the numbers say one was watched more often than the other then it becomes a fact. It's tough for you to grasp this, isn't it?

[Commancho]

Originally posted by ingus76:

hmm, i am play the both of them - W3 about 800h of playing, F4 more than 1150h playing. Who is better? Two diferent games, i cant compare its, one plot is post-apocalyptic World, second one are good known (from previous parts of game) fantasy World.
If someone would ask me - my answer should be = "you must play the both of them, because both are unique in some of way".

That's not the true, I compare things which are based on the visuals, audio, scenario and game mechanics which actually can be compared. If you like both post-apo and fantasy rpgs it should be a problem for you. This not post-apo vs fantasy, it's Fallout 4 vs Witcher as a cRPG games with open worlds.