soul of cinder in opening cinematic

[Cooman]

in the opening cinematic, whose body is the soul of cinder dragging? anyone got any suggestions?

we know the soul is the manifestation of the Lords of cinder, to protect the flame, and at that point in the cinematic the bell had just rung, so it couldn't have been another ashen one...

[Valky]

All the wood and weaponry/armory laying around hint what hes been using to keep the fire (alive).

[Cooman]

Originally posted by Miyumi:

All the wood and weaponry/armory laying around hint what hes been using to keep the fire (alive).

but surely he's just a manifestation of the lords? doesn't it say someone basically the soul just sits there protecting the flame? surely normal humans can't even go there, or does he go out on 'day trips'

[Valky]

He waits for Ashen ones to come and challenge him, if you're worthy, grats you take his job and get to decide what to do with the first fire, lose and you become fuel . . . basically.
Hes kind of a manifestation of every single person that kindled the fire.

[Cooman]

Originally posted by Miyumi:

He waits for Ashen ones to come and challenge him, if you're worthy, grats you take his job and get to decide what to do with the first fire, lose and you become fuel . . . basically.

but that's what confuses me, the bell had just rung, or was ringing at that point, so surely there weren't ashen ones to challenge him?

not to mention, in order to challenge him, the Lords would have had to be on their thrones, and they wernt.

[Lady Zechie]

That's not the Soul of Cinder in the opening cinematic, nor is it the Soul of Cinder on the box art. You can tell because he does not use the Firelink Sword like the true Soul of Cinder does.

[Valky]

Originally posted by ocoo:

Originally posted by Miyumi:

He waits for Ashen ones to come and challenge him, if you're worthy, grats you take his job and get to decide what to do with the first fire, lose and you become fuel . . . basically.

but that's what confuses me, the bell had just rung, or was ringing at that point, so surely there weren't ashen ones to challenge him?

not to mention, in order to challenge him, the Lords would have had to be on their thrones, and they wernt.

Actually thats a good question. . . but then again, we are presented with at least three versions of the Firelink shrine, The one where you place (the Coiledsword) <--- hint hint, one that is completely dark, when you approach the place where the bonfire is supposed to be, you get the coiledsword fragment aaaand lastely, after you are done with all the lords, you get to see the third bonfire, the one where everything is destroyed and all the cinder has already been claimed.

[Cooman]

Originally posted by Banana:

That's not the Soul of Cinder in the opening cinematic, nor is it the Soul of Cinder on the box art. You can tell because he does not use the Firelink Sword like the true Soul of Cinder does.

pretty certain it is, wearing the cinders armor at minimum, and no one else has that set in game.

[Cooman]

Originally posted by Miyumi:

Originally posted by ocoo:

but that's what confuses me, the bell had just rung, or was ringing at that point, so surely there weren't ashen ones to challenge him?

not to mention, in order to challenge him, the Lords would have had to be on their thrones, and they wernt.

Actually thats a good question. . . but then again, we are presented with at least three versions of the Firelink shrine, The one where you place (the Coiledsword) <--- hint hint, one that is completely dark, when you approach the place where the bonfire is supposed to be, you get the coiledsword fragment aaaand lastely, after you are done with all the lords, you get to see the third bonfire, the one where everything is destroyed and all the cinder has already been claimed.

the dark shrine is in the past tho isn't it? hence why gundyr is there before he gets turned into that abomination we see in the very beginning.

man they do leave this stuff open ended lol

[Reoden]

Originally posted by ocoo:

Originally posted by Miyumi:

He waits for Ashen ones to come and challenge him, if you're worthy, grats you take his job and get to decide what to do with the first fire, lose and you become fuel . . . basically.

but that's what confuses me, the bell had just rung, or was ringing at that point, so surely there weren't ashen ones to challenge him?

not to mention, in order to challenge him, the Lords would have had to be on their thrones, and they wernt.

Well it isn't only "ashen ones" that are able or seeking to link the fire. The undead had that same goal in previous games, and even "lords" or "gods" like Gwyn have done so in the past. I don't really know if the Soul of Cinder was alluded to in a cinematic or not, but if he were that's the explanation I'd go with.

[Cooman]

Originally posted by Reoden:

Originally posted by ocoo:

but that's what confuses me, the bell had just rung, or was ringing at that point, so surely there weren't ashen ones to challenge him?

not to mention, in order to challenge him, the Lords would have had to be on their thrones, and they wernt.

Well it isn't only "ashen ones" that are able or seeking to link the fire. The undead had that same goal in previous games, and even "lords" or "gods" like Gwyn have done so in the past. I don't really know if the Soul of Cinder was alluded to in a cinematic or not, but if he were that's the explanation I'd go with.

good point, but gwyn and others wernt essentially regular people. and in our timeline neigh on every human being is dead, with but a few left, so not sure what to make of it.

I think there's something to it, as we see the cinder, or its armor , dragging someone then kneeling down.

I'm also curious, the cinder is there to protect the flame, since it's dying why doesn't it help return the lords? or sacrifice itself?

[Valky]

Originally posted by Reoden:

Originally posted by ocoo:

but that's what confuses me, the bell had just rung, or was ringing at that point, so surely there weren't ashen ones to challenge him?

not to mention, in order to challenge him, the Lords would have had to be on their thrones, and they wernt.

Well it isn't only "ashen ones" that are able or seeking to link the fire. The undead had that same goal in previous games, and even "lords" or "gods" like Gwyn have done so in the past. I don't really know if the Soul of Cinder was alluded to in a cinematic or not, but if he were that's the explanation I'd go with.

With the fire fading, the soul of cinder is forced to keep it alive, by any means necessary.

[Valky]

Originally posted by ocoo:

Originally posted by Reoden:

Well it isn't only "ashen ones" that are able or seeking to link the fire. The undead had that same goal in previous games, and even "lords" or "gods" like Gwyn have done so in the past. I don't really know if the Soul of Cinder was alluded to in a cinematic or not, but if he were that's the explanation I'd go with.

good point, but gwyn and others wernt essentially regular people. and in our timeline neigh on every human being is dead, with but a few left, so not sure what to make of it.

I think there's something to it, as we see the cinder, or its armor , dragging someone then kneeling down.

I'm also curious, the cinder is there to protect the flame, since it's dying why doesn't it help return the lords? or sacrifice itself?

Because at that point, there are no lords, everything fell to ruins.

[Yæman Différence]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zziY68RdKK4#

I found this it was a pretty interesting video about the cut content in which you would be able to make bonfires. You would be able to drag hollows and drive a sword into them, much like the apparent “soul of cinder” was doing in the intro cinematic.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Miss Zechie ♥:

That's not the Soul of Cinder in the opening cinematic, nor is it the Soul of Cinder on the box art. You can tell because he does not use the Firelink Sword like the true Soul of Cinder does.

What is the sword he/it is using? The closest match I can find is the basic broadsword...and something doesn't look right. The blade on the box art is too narrow and too long to be the broadsword, but the hilt matches no other straight sword in the game.

Its also possible that the coiled sword weapon was another last-minute change. There are several others.