Why are there 3 (spoilers) in the game?

[dirthurts]

Major spoilers here...
But why are there 3 Firelink shrines in the game that all look identical? Am I missing something?
Or is this simply a cheap/fast way of making the game world larger?

[KingColonel]

what are you talking about?

[SirusTheMadDJ]

You're missing something.

Try paying attention to the world around you a little more...

[doudou]

i think every firelink belong to a diffirent time line
don't forget (from DS1 white soap stone In Lordran, the flow of time is distorted,) (DS3 white soap stone The nature of Lothric is murky, unclear.)

[Noxgarm]

TIme travel.

You got the basic Firelink SHrine from your own universe and timeline.

Then, the FOrgotten Shrine, vision of a world without Fire.

And Finally, The Kiln of the First Flame, at the beginning of time, at the dawn of fire.

The Firelink shrine is reuused because it's a vision the Champions of Ashes (your character) know well so he can understand the difference and what the Fire going out means. Thinks of it as a ...T.A.R.D.I.S, maybe?

[dirthurts]

Originally posted by Noxgarm:

TIme travel.

You got the basic Firelink SHrine from your own universe and timeline.

Then, the FOrgotten Shrine, vision of a world without Fire.

And Finally, The Kiln of the First Flame, at the beginning of time, at the dawn of fire.

The Firelink shrine is reuused because it's a vision the Champions of Ashes (your character) know well so he can understand the difference and what the Fire going out means. Thinks of it as a ...T.A.R.D.I.S, maybe?

Than makes sense, and I considered that, but my issue with that is to get to the Forgotten Shrine, I didn't have to teleport or anything, I simply walked a continuous route. It doesn't make sense to travel through time by walking from A to B, especially considering they don't wrap around onto themselves but simply extended outwards.

Perhaps I'm over analyzing it or something.

And this theory also makes some time paradoxes that break a lot of the continuity of the game.

[Panic Fire]

Your firelink shrine is not connected to anything. Its seperate and alone. A manifestation of sorts. The dark shrine is connected to the world you play in and has realness and phsicallity. The kiln bonfire is the end of the world. The end of light. The embers are dieing. There will be no more light. Only darkness. The world returned to what it always and must be. The world collapsing in on itself. You however can relight the bonfire. Relight the (false) sun. Continue this mirage of a world.

[Outsider_Hopper]

strangely, i think the untended graves ( the abyssal firelink ) don't come frome another time but is the actually real firelink shrine, because two thing, maybe three tho, the first is the Champion Gundyr, this one is the real, without any dark parasit within him, and giving his soul when killed. The Hammer of André give me the fact that the André from firelink is an illusion from far away from the past, that's why you can't kill him, nor the handmaider or the firekeeper.

For me the "light" firelink shrine is an illusion made for the unkindle one or chosen undead to manipulate them to restore the first flame. Who appear to be the not so good ending in the end because, restarting the cycle again and again... etc etc.

[dirthurts]

ah, that's correct. Thanks for pointing out the initial shrine is disconnected. That's an interesting point that I hadn't put together.
Intriguing game this is.

[Vahvi]

Originally posted by Noxgarm:

TIme travel.

You got the basic Firelink SHrine from your own universe and timeline.

Then, the FOrgotten Shrine, vision of a world without Fire.

And Finally, The Kiln of the First Flame, at the beginning of time, at the dawn of fire.

The Firelink shrine is reuused because it's a vision the Champions of Ashes (your character) know well so he can understand the difference and what the Fire going out means. Thinks of it as a ...T.A.R.D.I.S, maybe?

So what you saying is we're actually the Doctor

[Facepalm]

The initial shrine isn't the one disconnected, it's the dark one that is, if you don't speak to the handmaiden at all you get different dialogue after you talk to the dark firelink one with her remembering you if you talk to the handmaiden in "normal" firelink.
Also Ludleth tells you more about dark firelink and that time.

Dark firelink is in the past, and the "normal" firelink doesn't seem disconnected to me from the other areas since it's located behind lothric castle :|

Dark firelink is where the bell hasn't tolled yet for us, the shrine handmaiden tells us that.

[Outsider_Hopper]

Originally posted by Facepalm:

The initial shrine isn't the one disconnected, it's the dark one that is, if you don't speak to the handmaiden at all you get different dialogue after you talk to the dark firelink one with her remembering you if you talk to the handmaiden in "normal" firelink.
Also Ludleth tells you more about dark firelink and that time.

Dark firelink is in the past, and the "normal" firelink doesn't seem disconnected to me from the other areas since it's located behind lothric castle :|

Dark firelink is where the bell hasn't tolled yet for us, the shrine handmaiden tells us that.

i need proof of that. because i never heared it, nor from my 4 run.

[Darkmatter42]

well if you got a good theory post it, so vaati can steal it and sell as his own

[Facepalm]

Originally posted by Desvorzum_H:

Originally posted by Facepalm:

*snip*

i need proof of that. because i never heared it, nor from my 4 run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5mHuSFRzZM

Also, talk to the dark firelink maiden more and she'll tell you about the bell.
Also talk to ludleth more After visiting firelink and before giving the eyes to the firekeeper; there's all the proof you need. Simply spam 'talk' more.

[SirusTheMadDJ]

Originally posted by Darkmatter42:

well if you got a good theory post it, so vaati can steal it and sell as his own

Why are people so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ desperate to talk crap about Youtubers in topics that aren't even about them? Grow up for the love of [Insert Prefered Diety Here].

Also, Vaati does credit his sources where possible. So, unless you want to play the "no one should be paid for a hobby" card, or don't think video editting and checking these facts via gameplay is worth supporting him, there's no reason to even mention it.

Besides, youtube is free, and so is Google/Reddit/Whereever the heck you want to discuss the game. If one content creator annoys you that much, ignore them and find another. Simple, basic consumer logic.

Originally posted by Desvorzum_H:

i need proof of that. because i never heared it, nor from my 4 run.

"AHHH SPOI-" Title. Spoiler topic. You did this to yourself, Timmy.



Still here? Good.



I'll first repeat myself.

Talk. To. The. NPCs.

The shrinemaden's first line ALONE suggests something's "off" about Dark Firelink. I'm mildly paraphasing here, sorry, but it goes something like this :

"Oh, fancy seeing you here. And not a peep from the Bell"...

Opening cutscene of the game. You are brought to life by the sound of the Bell of Awakening to hunt the Lords Of Cinder to link the Flame. If the bell wasn't rung...then it's heavily suggested the Flame's gone out. Hence, no sun.

There's also the sequence if you give the Firekeeper the eyes found in the hidden area. Remember, the layout's the same as the "normal" shrine. The Firekeeper SEES this world as a "failure" and BEGS you to kill her from showing you that "hell".

She respawns by the way. Worth pointing that out seeing as you might lock yourself into an ending you may not want...

Oh yeah. That's a thing apparently...

Ludleth's also knows a LOT more about the world around you than he lets on. Merely finding the dark shrine is enough to trigger a new comment, as well as finding the Firekeeper's Soul in the normal tower, or the eyes themselves.

The proof's there right in front of you. You need only look at it.

[Outsider_Hopper]

Originally posted by SirusTheMadDJ:

Originally posted by Darkmatter42:

well if you got a good theory post it, so vaati can steal it and sell as his own

Why are people so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ desperate to talk crap about Youtubers in topics that aren't even about them? Grow up for the love of [Insert Prefered Diety Here].

Also, Vaati does credit his sources where possible. So, unless you want to play the "no one should be paid for a hobby" card, or don't think video editting and checking these facts via gameplay is worth supporting him, there's no reason to even mention it.

Besides, youtube is free, and so is Google/Reddit/Whereever the heck you want to discuss the game. If one content creator annoys you that much, ignore them and find another. Simple, basic consumer logic.

Originally posted by Desvorzum_H:

i need proof of that. because i never heared it, nor from my 4 run.

"AHHH SPOI-" Title. Spoiler topic. You did this to yourself, Timmy.



Still here? Good.



I'll first repeat myself.

Talk. To. The. NPCs.

The shrinemaden's first line ALONE suggests something's "off" about Dark Firelink. I'm mildly paraphasing here, sorry, but it goes something like this :

"Oh, fancy seeing you here. And not a peep from the Bell"...

Opening cutscene of the game. You are brought to life by the sound of the Bell of Awakening to hunt the Lords Of Cinder to link the Flame. If the bell wasn't rung...then it's heavily suggested the Flame's gone out. Hence, no sun.

There's also the sequence if you give the Firekeeper the eyes found in the hidden area. Remember, the layout's the same as the "normal" shrine. The Firekeeper SEES this world as a "failure" and BEGS you to kill her from showing you that "hell".

She respawns by the way. Worth pointing that out seeing as you might lock yourself into an ending you may not want...

Oh yeah. That's a thing apparently...

Ludleth's also knows a LOT more about the world around you than he lets on. Merely finding the dark shrine is enough to trigger a new comment, as well as finding the Firekeeper's Soul in the normal tower, or the eyes themselves.

The proof's there right in front of you. You need only look at it.

ok its cool, but you're maybe able to speak or maybe don't speak like every one else is a stupide person. I needed proof to that because i don't see it by myself, its simple to act with scorn, or appear, but not so simple to not give that feel. soo. as you want.