#MakeINTGreatAgain - How to fix INT builds

[Cryomancer]

Sorcery always was something viable on souls series. There are a lot of good spells that can deal insane damage and INT scaling weapons on DkS 1 and 2. But on DkS 3, they are soo weak, deal less damage than most other builds, takes extremely long to cast, has no tracking, slow projectiles that you don't even need to roll to evade and even if you wanna use INT scaling weapons, are not viable.

I had an awful time in my first sorc run on this game, but now i an playing with a pyro and can say. Pyro is much stronger than Sorc. I deal much more damage and takes much less time to trow projectiles. Even if the mob blocks, great chaos fireball's magma still deadly. Only Farron Flashsword has little use on PvP and against fast enemies(almost all enemies), all other spells are almost useless, mainly on pvp. Until i got Farron Flashsword, my "backup weapon" was my main weapon because even the starting dagger was more practical than my sorcery;

1 - Bring an "S" INT scaling weapon

My Moonlight Greatsword +5 with magical infuse on DkS 2 has almost 600 ATK, on DkS 3 it has split damage in physical and magical and a C int scaling. Frankly, how an weapon without "mass" can deal physical damage? And frankly, his magical attack has almost no range and is only usable on PvE if you hit the projectile and the blade.

2 - Buff the casting speed

DkS 3 is a very fast game, but even with high dex and sage ring, your casting speed is too slow. On DkS 2, i can cast some spells faster than mobs can physically attack me. Mainly when i reached 260 casting speed. I tried everything, but casting is too slow on DkS 3, mainly for soul spear.

3 - Buff tracking and projectile speed

If you wanna see how much tracking spells has on previous games, see how Pursuers works on DkS1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEA0OFugIdw

Even lighting is too slow in this game that you can easily outrun an lighting spear... How someone is capable of dodging something that should be almost fast as light? Make Affinity like Pursuers of DkS1 and buff the speed of all projectiles. Even bows/crossbows. I own an 170 lbf crossbow and my crossbow can shoot projectiles at 80 m/s.

4 - Buff the damage

My pyro can score 1000+ damage many times, against many mobs. My sorc barely can score 500+ with soul spear. Most of my pyromancies OHK most of mobs... Sorcery should be at least deadly as pyromancy

[76561198836038854]

INT builds are fine, ditch spells, exchange ATT for VIT and apply 45 poise to moonlight greatsword. 2hand for Poise.

[Cryomancer]

Opprinnelig skrevet av True Invader:

INT builds are fine, ditch spells, exchange ATT for VIT and apply 45 poise to moonlight greatsword. 2hand for Poise.

Try beat the game as a pure int, then as a pyro and see the difference...

[omegablue0231]

Nah int build are fine, faith builds are the only magic that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Great heavy soul arrow, great soul dreg, pestilent mist, both dragon rings, sage ring, moonlight greatsword. There you go now the game is easy mode.

EDIT: Also don't use soul spear, it's a trap. GHSA will do as much damage for much less cost. Even at max int it's only like 50 points of damage less than soul spear. And Great soul dregs will do over 1000 before even pyro spells do. Pair it with the murky long staff and use the buff.

[luminaxar]

Dude you're investing all that time and effort in writing this for a game that won't get any updates anymore. So no matter how good your thoughts are, they just won't be any more than that.

[Cryomancer]

Opprinnelig skrevet av omegablue0231:

Nah int build are fine, faith builds are the only magic that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Great heavy soul arrow, great soul dreg, pestilent mist, both dragon rings, sage ring, moonlight greatsword. There you go now the game is easy mode.

EDIT: Also don't use soul spear, it's a trap. GHSA will do as much damage for much less cost. Even at max int it's only like 50 points of damage less than soul spear. And Great soul dregs will do over 1000 before even pyro spells do. Pair it with the murky long staff and use the buff.

Even GHSA deals only spell buff *2,4 damage. Court Sorcerer's Staff with optimal stats can reach 238 soulbuff at 60 INT. Considering mobs with high resistance, it is an awful spell. I i remember correctly, it can't OHK even dogs dogs...

Compare this damage output with DkS 1

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1668603749

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1656537411

[Finnfinity]

Opprinnelig skrevet av omegablue0231:

Nah int build are fine, faith builds are the only magic that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Great heavy soul arrow, great soul dreg, pestilent mist, both dragon rings, sage ring, moonlight greatsword. There you go now the game is easy mode.

EDIT: Also don't use soul spear, it's a trap. GHSA will do as much damage for much less cost. Even at max int it's only like 50 points of damage less than soul spear. And Great soul dregs will do over 1000 before even pyro spells do. Pair it with the murky long staff and use the buff.

"Faith builds are the only magic that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥"
ChasetheBro:
https://youtu.be/CIw5yum3Qv8

[Cryomancer]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Finnfinity:

Opprinnelig skrevet av omegablue0231:

Nah int build are fine, faith builds are the only magic that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Great heavy soul arrow, great soul dreg, pestilent mist, both dragon rings, sage ring, moonlight greatsword. There you go now the game is easy mode.

EDIT: Also don't use soul spear, it's a trap. GHSA will do as much damage for much less cost. Even at max int it's only like 50 points of damage less than soul spear. And Great soul dregs will do over 1000 before even pyro spells do. Pair it with the murky long staff and use the buff.

"Faith builds are the only magic that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥"
ChasetheBro:
https://youtu.be/CIw5yum3Qv8

Repair how easily he can dodge any spell and even when he got hit, he took almost no damage.

You can compare the same spell. Affinity is awful if compared to DkS2 affinity and Pursuers from DkS1... I never killed an invasor on DkS 3 as a sorc, as a pyro, i wined some... But on 2 or 1, i generally win most invasions.

[Cryomancer]

Opprinnelig skrevet av omegablue0231:

Opprinnelig skrevet av C4MP3R:

Even GHSA deals only spell buff *2,4 damage. Court Sorcerer's Staff with optimal stats can reach 238 soulbuff at 60 INT. Considering mobs with high resistance, it is an awful spell. I i remember correctly, it can't OHK even dogs dogs...

Compare this damage output with DkS 1

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1668603749

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1656537411

I don't see any screenshots of GHSA there, just the most overpowered broken spell in Souls history that has never came back because it was so broken. Also if you're going to just lie about not being able to kill dogs then I know you're just mad that you can't ohko everything and actually have to play and git gud.

No, my point is. My fireball can OHK dogs. My combustion too. The sorceries that can OHK dogs costs much more stamina, FP and takes much more longer to be cast.

There are ZERO reason to NOT use pyromancies over sorceries. Hell, Great Chaos Fireball can OHK knights before i got even large titanite to upgrade my pyro flame. And even pyro, is too weak if compared to previous games(at least viable)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPU4_vMbxg4

PS : The highest damaging spells on DkS story are on DkS 2. Forbbiden Sun(pyro), Climax(Hex) and Soul Geyser(Sorc) are all very high damage. Hell, Soul Geyser is 4 times stronger than GHSA on DkS 2 and probably 8 times stronger than GHSA on DkS3 and Dark Bead requires that you hit all orbs to deal massive damage. DkS 2 high powerful spells don't require it.

[Zeromix]

This is just an community forum, so i doubt, that any dev will post here.
Beside, i´m happy with the way it is.

[Cryomancer]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zeromix:

This is just an community forum, so i doubt, that any dev will post here.
Beside, i´m happy with the way it is.

Well, everyone knows that magic is useless

This is a 2 YO thread on reddit about how magic is awful https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4feuz2/psa_magic_sucks/

Apparently on DkS 3 only the ultra fast melee weapons are viable. This is sad because i like to use polearms and sorcery... I don't know why DkS 2 is soo hated, sure, has some problems, like ADP and soul memory, but at least i an not forced to play in the ultra quick melee way...

[Cryomancer]

I honestly don't know why people are "happy" with the way that D3 works. Not only sorcery, any heavy melee weapon is useless. Or you play in ultra fast melee with an sword or you will gonan be in a disadvantage.

Hell, on history polearms was far more prevelant than swords by a lot of reasons. How many people you see using polearms or sorcery on pvp if the game is balanced?

[ReBootXD]

https://youtu.be/C2p55GRDCa8

There’s this phrase I like, I’ve heard it a lot “a bad Workman blames his tools”

Anything is viable in Ds3 if you know what you’re doing.

[Sabaithal]

I don't know about direct effectiveness, but I annoy the ever-living f#ck out of people with my INT build. I just use crystal soulmass every time I see an invader approach, then slowly walk towards him with my straight-sword out. Even if they try to roll through the projectiles, my sword gets em every time. Or I try out a soul greatsword just to throw them off. Or the farron flashsword with a long-reaching staff.

And this is a support build.

[76561198836038854]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sabaithal:

I don't know about direct effectiveness, but I annoy the ever-living f#ck out of people with my INT build. I just use crystal soulmass every time I see an invader approach, then slowly walk towards him with my straight-sword out. Even if they try to roll through the projectiles, my sword gets em every time. Or I try out a soul greatsword just to throw them off. Or the farron flashsword with a long-reaching staff.

And this is a support build.

>Crystal Soul Mass
Boi are you in for a surprise when someone starts hucking Alluring Skulls at you and they just ignore your spells to poise through the animations. Be fearful of the Greatsword user with a pocket full of skulls.

[Sabaithal]

Opprinnelig skrevet av True Invader:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sabaithal:

I don't know about direct effectiveness, but I annoy the ever-living f#ck out of people with my INT build. I just use crystal soulmass every time I see an invader approach, then slowly walk towards him with my straight-sword out. Even if they try to roll through the projectiles, my sword gets em every time. Or I try out a soul greatsword just to throw them off. Or the farron flashsword with a long-reaching staff.

And this is a support build.

>Crystal Soul Mass
Boi are you in for a surprise when someone starts hucking Alluring Skulls at you and they just ignore your spells to poise through the animations. Be fearful of the Greatsword user with a pocket full of skulls.

Meh. Its a support build I use it when helping a host with PvE. Its just quite useful at PvP harrassment.