Whats the best staff and chime for 50 INT and Faith?

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

i plan to have 50INT and 50 Faith with around 5-6 ATT slots. i currently have the court sorcerers staff and sunless talisman.

[Panic Fire]

Sassy eredeti hozzászólása:

Panic Fire eredeti hozzászólása:

As far as I know there is not item in the game that can cast both miracles and sorceries and be used for casting dmg spells.

The Crystal Chime casts both miracles and sorceries (Though bad at casting dark magic). Just letting you know.

Yeah but its just not very good considering the yorshka and sorcers staff are both about 18% better. And considering we wear rings to give us 15% more spell dmg, thats a big differnce.

[Scraps]

Paladin Leeroy eredeti hozzászólása:

So where does Caitha's Chime come into play??

It's very comparable to Sunless Talisman where it scales off of both INT/FTH with dark miracles -only-, the only real difference between the two is the WA.

[Panic Fire]

Paladin Leeroy eredeti hozzászólása:

So where does Caitha's Chime come into play??

Caitha's Chime is the best dark miracle casting implement at your stats.

[Panic Fire]

Sassy eredeti hozzászólása:

Paladin Leeroy eredeti hozzászólása:

So where does Caitha's Chime come into play??

It's very comparable to Sunless Talisman where it scales off of both INT/FTH with dark miracles -only-, the only real difference between the two is the WA.

Cathia's is better (stat wise) however the differnse in spell power is 10 or less points off making either fine. However Sunless Talisman's weapon art in general is more useful.

[Mytrnz]

Preacher's right arm scales S. Good for dark and sorcery.

[Panic Fire]

Mytrnz eredeti hozzászólása:

Preacher's right arm scales S. Good for dark and sorcery.

Except it isn't good for dark though.

Murky staff is much better for dark than Preacher's arm and it still is worse than Izaliths staff for dark magic.

[Claraysel]

archdeacon great staff you can cast sorcery with faith scaling

[Revolucas]

Paladin Leeroy eredeti hozzászólása:

Panic Fire eredeti hozzászólása:

Sunless spell buss is misleading. It shows the highest spell buff possible for it (which would be if you cast dark magic) however if you cast say lighting spear from it, it will only use faith for that meaning its actual spell buff is much lower (because it wont get the int scaling bonus)

Basically For regular miracles (not dark miracles) it is the 4th worst miracle casting implement.

well i only really plan to use dark weapon, some pyromancy and maybe affinity. most of the miracles in this game are trash apart from maybe the weapon art usage of lightning stake

Miracles aren't trash. Pratically the best spells in the game. Sunlight spear in melee range does like 4k, Dorhyr's gnawing one-shots most enemies and tears up bosses if you use caitha's. Tears of Denial lets you live again. The regen spells are great. Heal-aid with 60 Faith heals as much as a swig from a +5 estus and almost as fast animation. Lightning Weapon is arguably the most useful weapon enchant as most things late game are weak to lightning. Emit Force knocks over people in PvP and can set you up for a Sunlight Spear. Wrath of the Gods spam makes some bosses extremely easy like dragon slayer or the lothric princes. Vow of Silence used on lord of cinder boss during his spell casting phase gives you a couple minutes of free hits. Great Magic Barrier is useful in some situations (think Earthen Peak angels) and with rings makes you almost completely immune to soceries for 70 seconds.

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

Alundaio eredeti hozzászólása:

Paladin Leeroy eredeti hozzászólása:

well i only really plan to use dark weapon, some pyromancy and maybe affinity. most of the miracles in this game are trash apart from maybe the weapon art usage of lightning stake

Miracles aren't trash. Pratically the best spells in the game. Sunlight spear in melee range does like 4k, Dorhyr's gnawing one-shots most enemies and tears up bosses if you use caitha's. Tears of Denial lets you live again. The regen spells are great. Heal-aid with 60 Faith heals as much as a swig from a +5 estus and almost as fast animation. Lightning Weapon is arguably the most useful weapon enchant as most things late game are weak to lightning. Emit Force knocks over people in PvP and can set you up for a Sunlight Spear. Wrath of the Gods spam makes some bosses extremely easy like dragon slayer or the lothric princes. Vow of Silence used on lord of cinder boss during his spell casting phase gives you a couple minutes of free hits. Great Magic Barrier is useful in some situations (think Earthen Peak angels) and with rings makes you almost completely immune to soceries for 70 seconds.

but why would i use Caitha's chime for Gnawing when it isnt dark? i thought it was only good for dark damage. shouldnt the sunless be better since it scales both int and faith

[Herbalacious]

I think 50/50 is a little high. At 45/45 I'm considering dropping down to 40/40 for extra hp or endurance. Crystal Chime I think is the best solution here. You never have to switch out or waste weapon slots. I didn't care for Archdeacon staff since sorcerery depends on high int to even cast some of the spells.

With those stats you can swap out to any type of caster you want. Faith/Dark/Sorcery/Pyro. My 45/45 build at sl120 that does just that. Sometimes I'll go pyro hand in right and Izalith/CrystalChime in the left hand depending on my spell choice. I mostly run around with Dark Magic with this characer, but against enemies like Midir I had to break out the Crystal Chime since Dark Magic does very little damage.

Lately I have just been going with Dark magic and sorc with Izalith Staff and a Dark Falchion which since the patch now has over 500AR with this build and the new head piece for dark magic.

[Revolucas]

Paladin Leeroy eredeti hozzászólása:

Alundaio eredeti hozzászólása:

Miracles aren't trash. Pratically the best spells in the game. Sunlight spear in melee range does like 4k, Dorhyr's gnawing one-shots most enemies and tears up bosses if you use caitha's. Tears of Denial lets you live again. The regen spells are great. Heal-aid with 60 Faith heals as much as a swig from a +5 estus and almost as fast animation. Lightning Weapon is arguably the most useful weapon enchant as most things late game are weak to lightning. Emit Force knocks over people in PvP and can set you up for a Sunlight Spear. Wrath of the Gods spam makes some bosses extremely easy like dragon slayer or the lothric princes. Vow of Silence used on lord of cinder boss during his spell casting phase gives you a couple minutes of free hits. Great Magic Barrier is useful in some situations (think Earthen Peak angels) and with rings makes you almost completely immune to soceries for 70 seconds.

but why would i use Caitha's chime for Gnawing when it isnt dark? i thought it was only good for dark damage. shouldnt the sunless be better since it scales both int and faith

http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Dorhy's+Gnawing

It's a Dark Miracle and scales more with the Sunless tailsman or Caitha's chime compared to the other catalyst.

From the wiki:
Sunless Tailsman: At 60 INT and 60 FTH it has a spellbuff of 307.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Sunless+Talisman

Caitha's Chime: At 60 INT and 60 FTH it has a spellbuff of 312. http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Caitha's+Chime

So yeah, you can use sunless tailsman and get comparable results.

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

Alundaio eredeti hozzászólása:

Paladin Leeroy eredeti hozzászólása:

but why would i use Caitha's chime for Gnawing when it isnt dark? i thought it was only good for dark damage. shouldnt the sunless be better since it scales both int and faith

http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Dorhy's+Gnawing

It's a Dark Miracle and scales more with the Sunless tailsman or Caitha's chime compared to the other catalyst.

From the wiki:
Sunless Tailsman: At 60 INT and 60 FTH it has a spellbuff of 307.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Sunless+Talisman

Caitha's Chime: At 60 INT and 60 FTH it has a spellbuff of 312. http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Caitha's+Chime

So yeah, you can use sunless tailsman and get comparable results.

i only have 50 and 50 tho not 60 :/ hence why i figured sunless would be better

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

Herbalacious eredeti hozzászólása:

I think 50/50 is a little high. At 45/45 I'm considering dropping down to 40/40 for extra hp or endurance. Crystal Chime I think is the best solution here. You never have to switch out or waste weapon slots. I didn't care for Archdeacon staff since sorcerery depends on high int to even cast some of the spells.

With those stats you can swap out to any type of caster you want. Faith/Dark/Sorcery/Pyro. My 45/45 build at sl120 that does just that. Sometimes I'll go pyro hand in right and Izalith/CrystalChime in the left hand depending on my spell choice. I mostly run around with Dark Magic with this characer, but against enemies like Midir I had to break out the Crystal Chime since Dark Magic does very little damage.

Lately I have just been going with Dark magic and sorc with Izalith Staff and a Dark Falchion which since the patch now has over 500AR with this build and the new head piece for dark magic.

wouldnt sorcerers staff do more damage tho?

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

i should also state, this is mostly going to be used for PvP. thank you tho for everyones comments

[Herbalacious]

It does but not by much. I find it is easier to use the crystal chime and not worry about swapping. The damage is solid for me in ng++ with this build. I will test it out in a few to see what the diff is