Daimon, worst boss (long rant, don't read)

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{edit: I mean the second, true awakened form of Daimon. First form is pathetically easy}

Dear god, I killed the damned thing after two hours, no exaggeration. I have never felt so physically exhausted after a gaming session, and I think I'm done with this game for at least a couple of months. I don't mean this in a good way, I don't feel accomplished after beating him, even if it took me so long, and that was because the fight was terrible. Not exciting, not epic, just pure and unadulterated tedium.

What was I doing wrong? I'm going to assume my character was a mixture of underleveled and undergeared, because after an hour, as a level 120 Ranger (dragonforged Dragon's Glaze -lol was it supposed to be "gaze"?- goldforged Spitfire daggers), and my party consisting of a sorcerer, warrior and strider, had only depleted two of his lifebars. Twenty minutes after that my sorcerer gets petrified and destroyed. Ten minutes after that, my remaining pawns get sucked into his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t instant obliteration attack, gone forever. Mind you, they were absolutely useless: I can only assume Daimon inflicted an invisible status effect that made them behave like headless chicken that needed saving every five seconds whilst just running arround never trying to attack him. "Are we even hurting it?" No, you useless piece of ♥♥♥♥, you aren't even shooting at him. Good riddance.

Being pawnless just reveals how crappy this fight is. Without having to babysit pawns, it's almost impossible to be damaged by Daimon. The only exception is the sucking attack, for which I could not figure out a way to escape. So the rest of the fight was basically an endurance and patience test, rather than a skill one. My damage was just pathetic, and the only attack that could visibly dent his lifebar was Great Gamble to the face, one sixth of his life per well placed shot. My periapts were long gone -and only helped me knock down two bars anyway , as I said. I had no curatives left and only five remaining wakestones.

Finding a suficiently long opening to Great Gamble him in the mug was all there was to this fight, and how dull that was. The worst thing was the fact that Great Gamble, if you are (what the game arbitrarily considers to be) too far from Daimon, the arrow will just go through him without doing any damage. Some Ranger I am.

And all for what? A damned cursed weapon I cannot use (what is the deal with that inane purifying mechanic? It's like there is a fixed queue of unusable items that I have to go through before getting something for my class, and I cannot even skip an unwanted item by getting rid of the cursed weapon I got first.) and a bunch of chests containing garbage. Really, why did they put such garbage in those high chests reachable only after beating the second form? I think the fancy chest at the very top had nuts. No alternate true ending either, unless I'm missing something.

Does anyone else feel Daimon is difficult only in an artificial way? Damage barriers are not my idea of making a boss battle exciting. I did it on my first try too, so I'm not even salty for dying a lot to it. Worst boss. And now that I think about it, I feel this way about almost every big creature in this game: not difficult, just ridiculously durable.

In these games I love doing playthroughs testing different classes, but the grinding and the neverending lifebars are just too tedious for me. I'll come back, because I still think it is a good flawed game, but not soon.

[William Shakesman]

If he just had a Grigori weapon and not an Urdy weapon, I think doing a couple of bars to Daimon 2 is not just the best you could hope for but incredibly commendable. My urdy gear cut Daimon 1 to shreds and I hurried back through to Daimon 2 practically treating BBI like Dynasty Warriors the way back in and Daimon 1 went down fast but Daimon 2 was YET ANOTHER massive grindwall. Unless he came REALLY loaded with serious periapts and knew stacking 4 was the key, I'm not seeing it.

Once you're ahead of the curve, I have no doubt Daimon 2 is ez as pie, but I had to get some gold rarefied BBI 2 gear to start doing real damage to Daimon 2.

I'm not being hard on him, I'm being hard on you for underestimating the grindwall here.

[www.ninemil.com]

kreig eredeti hozzászólása:

when one hp bar took 15 - 20 min to remove, i always run away from battle. it means you're still not strong enough and under leveled. I even used a liftstone on first daimon and farmed a bit. Now both fights don't last a minute.

This.

It's either your build, your gear, or you're missing a mechanic/vulnerability/weakspot.

That first time you stagger Daimon, you realise just how squishy he actually is.

[www.ninemil.com]

William Shakesman eredeti hozzászólása:

Unless he came REALLY loaded with serious periapts and knew stacking 4 was the key, I'm not seeing it.

Stacking with Vim is a minimum, of course, but I've done it lower on a Ranger. I'm guessing either he's not cross-classed, or he's not making full use of the tools.

This is the bit where I curse all these people telling the newcomers that tailored builds don't matter. Sure, at 200th with tier 3 weapons, it doesn't. But for the first timer, it absolutely makes the difference, and often decides between viable and non-viable.

I don't understand why so many people are running on hardmode during their first playthrough, either. More poor advice, I suspect. Racing to 200th doesn't make the game any easier if you're short on Disc and don't know how to use the skills you have, anyway.

/rant

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kreig eredeti hozzászólása:

when one hp bar took 15 - 20 min to remove, i always run away from battle. it means you're still not strong enough and under leveled. I even used a liftstone on first daimon and farmed a bit. Now both fights don't last a minute.

This.

It's either your build, your gear, or you're missing a mechanic/vulnerability/weakspot.

That first time you stagger Daimon, you realise just how squishy he actually is.

Now that I gave myself permission to check the wiki, I indeed ignored that periapts (of which I didn't bring a lot) could be stacked. Also, ran out of blast arrows so fast, jesus, only five tenfold flurries (of which I missed two or more). After that, Great Gamble was the only thing scratching him. I'm getting angry again thinking about those Great Gamble shots that went through him without doing any damage...

[BelieveNYoSelf]

Used Magic Archer Class. Thankfully i did it on my first try, i just didnt have the stamina to save my pawn from its special attack so i had to finish its second form alone and that took a while xd

[www.ninemil.com]

Mayonegg eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, ran out of blast arrows so fast, jesus, only five tenfold flurries (of which I missed two or more). After that, Great Gamble was the only thing scratching him. I'm getting angry again thinking about those Great Gamble shots that went through him without doing any damage...

Don't worry too much about Blast arrows - they're cheesy, and will shred/stagger anything in seconds. Great for grind runs, but I don't recommend them for experiencing the content first time. They make big bosses like Death trivial, (he can't stand up again after the first volley,) and you can kill Grigori before he even leaves the first chamber with them, (at a modest level, too,) bypassing the entirety of that epic fight.

That said - stacking Periphats is incredibly important to a Ranger's burst damage, as is Liquid Vim, (negates Stamina use, if you've not come across it.)

You were hitting his chest?

[www.ninemil.com]

Mayonegg eredeti hozzászólása:

I was playing on normal -I'm not a good player, I know. Not sure if I understand the question about vocation split; do you mean what vocations I used with this character? If so, fighter, assassin, ranger. All maxed.

Don't say that like it's a bad thing - we're all beginners once. That you took him down, (and stuck with it to get there,) is incredibly commendable. Most people quit.

In terms of vocations, you'd have maxed all of those long before you hit 120th. Can you remember roughly how long you spent as each? It makes a big difference to your final stats.

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www.ninemil.com eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't worry too much about Blast arrows - they're cheesy, and will shred/stagger anything in seconds. Great for grind runs, but I don't recommend them for experiencing the content first time. They make big bosses like Death trivial, (he can't stand up again after the first volley,) and you can kill Grigori before he even leaves the first chamber with them, (at a modest level, too,) bypassing the entirety of that epic fight.

That said - stacking Periphats is incredibly important to a Ranger's burst damage, as is Liquid Vim, (negates Stamina use, if you've not come across it.)

You were hitting his chest?

I had ten Vims on me, but ran out of them very quickly, considering how absurdly long the fight was for me.

And yes, I was hitting him pretty clearly in the chest face, I mean, with Great Gamble you almost get a first person view of the arrow while you steer it. Went through it when I was too far, as if his hitbox became deactivated -which I suspect is the case when an enemy is far away. But still, very aggravating to do a perfect shot that doesn't count.

[risbolla]

Superscooter eredeti hozzászólása:

just wut eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't worry. I didn't read.
My only complaint with Daimon is his first form boss battle music. It's awful. His Awakened form is better though.

♥♥♥♥ taste

[rjafarrow]

I enjoyed my first fight as mystic knight against him which took about 30min as a hybrid spec.
Two things to remember if ranged:

1. You can avoid most damage by hiding behind a pillar
2. Periapts are highly recomended.

People have beaten him as melee asn before level 50, some have killed him before level 40.

There are a number of ways but it really it depends how easy you want it or if you want a longish fight.

Easy mode str build = asn+vim+invis+blast arrows+fivefold = no chance of any damage taken fast kill

magick build = sorcerer+holy focus bolts

Both ways take about 20s on hard mode.

Those are two ways that make it easy to grind him.

If it took you 2hrs I am guessing you didn't use pillars well or periapts and a lot of the fight you spent on your butt. It was probably not a lot of fun but then anyone who goes an hour fighting a boss without looking up advice on the internet kinda deserves what they get, it isn't the game's fault.

Wait... please say you didn't use liquid vim and great gamble...

If that is the case you won't kill a deer with great gamble even with 5k str. :)

[Manslain]

The mechanics for this boss are interesting.

[NoOne]

As soon as he does his 'sucking attack' in either form, he's pretty much done for. Headshot to break the move, then stack 4 conquerors and whale on him with your vocation's best move 'till he's dead. No way a boss battle should take 2 hours, or indeed would be intended to take that long, by any developer.

You were simply not prepared.

Edit: Like any rpg it's down to a mix of gear, level, abilities + player knowledge/skill.

Hope you come back :)

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SpacialKatana eredeti hozzászólása:

As soon as he does his 'sucking attack' in either form, he's pretty much done for. Headshot to break the move, then stack 4 conquerors and whale on him with your vocation's best move 'till he's dead. No way a boss battle should take 2 hours, or indeed would be intended to take that long, by any developer.

You were simply not prepared.

Edit: Like any rpg it's down to a mix of gear, level, abilities + player knowledge/skill.

Hope you come back :)

Well, I guess I was always unprepared. Fights were so long for me, some dragons 20 or thirty minutes, gorecyclopes 30 or more each, so i was not too surprised when what is supposed to be the toughest fight was quite long -when an hour went by I knew I was doing something wrong, though, but I thought I was going to have to grind or somehow find the materials I needed to gold dragonforge my weapons that were not doing enough damage (to this day I have no idea were to get the materials to silver forge the dragon's glaze bow). I was not going to figure out on my own that periapts stacked up to four times (besides, I had no more left), so it was then or never in my mind... after all, I had already wasted an hour, and dodging most of his attacks was no problem.

But in any case, I killed it, got my closure and after venting I am in peace. I still stand by my opinion that, if anything, the fight is only difficult if you are doing very little damage like I was. I would have been just as disappointed if I knew I could stack all kinds of buffs and killed it in 5 minutes or less.

And I will be back for sure. This is a great game, but I'm burned right now.

[NoOne]

Mayonegg eredeti hozzászólása:

SpacialKatana eredeti hozzászólása:

As soon as he does his 'sucking attack' in either form, he's pretty much done for. Headshot to break the move, then stack 4 conquerors and whale on him with your vocation's best move 'till he's dead. No way a boss battle should take 2 hours, or indeed would be intended to take that long, by any developer.

You were simply not prepared.

Edit: Like any rpg it's down to a mix of gear, level, abilities + player knowledge/skill.

Hope you come back :)

Well, I guess I was always unprepared. Fights were so long for me, some dragons 20 or thirty minutes, gorecyclopes 30 or more each, so i was not too surprised when what is supposed to be the toughest fight was quite long -when an hour went by I knew I was doing something wrong, though, but I thought I was going to have to grind or somehow find the materials I needed to gold dragonforge my weapons that were not doing enough damage (to this day I have no idea were to get the materials to silver forge the dragon's glaze bow). I was not going to figure out on my own that periapts stacked up to four times (besides, I had no more left), so it was then or never in my mind... after all, I had already wasted an hour, and dodging most of his attacks was no problem.

But in any case, I killed it, got my closure and after venting I am in peace. I still stand by my opinion that, if anything, the fight is only difficult if you are doing very little damage like I was. I would have been just as disappointed if I knew I could stack all kinds of buffs and killed it in 5 minutes or less.

And I will be back for sure. This is a great game, but I'm burned right now.

Glad to hear that, and props to you for persevering in any case. There's a very good Wikia for the game, that if used 'sparingly' , will enhance and not ruin the game experience .

[William Shakesman]

Mayonegg eredeti hozzászólása:

SpacialKatana eredeti hozzászólása:

As soon as he does his 'sucking attack' in either form, he's pretty much done for. Headshot to break the move, then stack 4 conquerors and whale on him with your vocation's best move 'till he's dead. No way a boss battle should take 2 hours, or indeed would be intended to take that long, by any developer.

You were simply not prepared.

Edit: Like any rpg it's down to a mix of gear, level, abilities + player knowledge/skill.

Hope you come back :)

Well, I guess I was always unprepared. Fights were so long for me, some dragons 20 or thirty minutes, gorecyclopes 30 or more each, so i was not too surprised when what is supposed to be the toughest fight was quite long -when an hour went by I knew I was doing something wrong, though, but I thought I was going to have to grind or somehow find the materials I needed to gold dragonforge my weapons that were not doing enough damage (to this day I have no idea were to get the materials to silver forge the dragon's glaze bow). I was not going to figure out on my own that periapts stacked up to four times (besides, I had no more left), so it was then or never in my mind... after all, I had already wasted an hour, and dodging most of his attacks was no problem.

But in any case, I killed it, got my closure and after venting I am in peace. I still stand by my opinion that, if anything, the fight is only difficult if you are doing very little damage like I was. I would have been just as disappointed if I knew I could stack all kinds of buffs and killed it in 5 minutes or less.

And I will be back for sure. This is a great game, but I'm burned right now.

The grindwalls in BBI are immense. Super fire dragons are still stupid but the rest of the BBI enemies including Daimon would go down really fast once I got BBI 2 weapons up to Gold.

Then I threw it away to start over because level 200 DD is BOOOORING.