Please make the "battle standard" worthwhile

[Porkie]

Give it the stats of an elite weapon.
Right now it's good only for selling since it's one of the worst polearms and has a pretty useless bonus

[titanopteryx]

Sheesh. We should get a battle standard here. Some of us are failing morale checks.

[Gaudioom]

I turned an "Apprentice" with 3 stars in resolve into a Sergeant with the "Sergeant Sash" that gives +10 and overall he now has 98 resolve. Do i wish he had more damage? Ofcourse.
Is the resolve bonus usless with the "Rally" ability"? Not at all, it is pretty good.
He also has "Bags&Belts" with "Quick Hands" so he can switch to a shield to push away enemies or protect himself or the archers on the back line. He carries nets to ensnare high valute targets.
Bandages or Anti Poison..

My point is, abilities and attributes need to synergies. You can't get one that will be amazing at everything. The whole point of the banner is to keep your guys in check. Later you can get rid of it if you want to when you get proper soldiers.

Some characters have different phobias which is an instant -10 to resolve versus a specific type of enemy. Alps ability goes through a resolve check. Mind Control goes through a resolve check. Wavering goes through a resolve check when damage is taken or someone from the company dies.

That is more than a few reasons why it is important to have, because a character with 20-30 resolve -10 point from the phobia is going to betray you and run when facing even a minor challenge.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by Gaudium:

I turned an "Apprentice" with 3 stars in resolve into a Sergeant with the "Sergeant Sash" that gives +10 and overall he now has 98 resolve. Do i wish he had more damage? Ofcourse.
Is the resolve bonus usless with the "Rally" ability"? Not at all, it is pretty good.
He also has "Bags&Belts" with "Quick Hands" so he can switch to a shield to push away enemies or protect himself or the archers on the back line. He carries nets to ensnare high valute targets.
Bandages or Anti Poison..

My point is, abilities and attributes need to synergies. You can't get one that will be amazing at everything. The whole point of the banner is to keep your guys in check. Later you can get rid of it if you want to when you get proper soldiers.

Have you considered using a witch hunter as your sergeant?

[Gaudioom]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Originally posted by Gaudium:

I turned an "Apprentice" with 3 stars in resolve into a Sergeant with the "Sergeant Sash" that gives +10 and overall he now has 98 resolve. Do i wish he had more damage? Ofcourse.
Is the resolve bonus usless with the "Rally" ability"? Not at all, it is pretty good.
He also has "Bags&Belts" with "Quick Hands" so he can switch to a shield to push away enemies or protect himself or the archers on the back line. He carries nets to ensnare high valute targets.
Bandages or Anti Poison..

My point is, abilities and attributes need to synergies. You can't get one that will be amazing at everything. The whole point of the banner is to keep your guys in check. Later you can get rid of it if you want to when you get proper soldiers.

Have you considered using a witch hunter as your sergeant?

How is that relevant to the OP?

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by Gaudium:

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Have you considered using a witch hunter as your sergeant?

How is that relevant to the OP?

Well witch hunters are immune to some fear effects. There could potentially be a situation where all your brothers are running around in a panic. If a witch hunter has the battle standard he can more easily rally everyone. The point is the battle standard has more than one use than just attacking with it.

[Gaudioom]

Originally posted by Huggles `:

It's useless. I don't think you actually played the game. +4, 5 or whatever resolve means nothing, and when you got all level 11s or whatever if you levelled one guy up to max resolve and give him battlestandard maybe, MAYBE there's some use to it, but even then it sucks. It won't protect you from anything

I was referring to this comment, and the original post.
It isn't about what i am using, so if you want to clarify the OP why, how, and when it is useful be my guest. No need to wave your "Knowledge Badge" in my face, i was saying that even a crap unit can be a decent banner bearer and share more than 4-5 points.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by Gaudium:

Originally posted by Huggles `:

It's useless. I don't think you actually played the game. +4, 5 or whatever resolve means nothing, and when you got all level 11s or whatever if you levelled one guy up to max resolve and give him battlestandard maybe, MAYBE there's some use to it, but even then it sucks. It won't protect you from anything

I was referring to this comment, and the original post.
It isn't about what i am using, so if you want to clarify the OP why, how, and when it is useful be my guest. No need to wave your "Knowledge Badge" in my face, i was saying that even a crap unit can be a decent banner bearer and share more than 4-5 points.

Knowledge badge? No one's ever told me I have one before. Thanks, but I'm going to decline. Because we don't need no stinkin' badges!

[Tephros83]

Originally posted by Huggles `:

Give it the stats of an elite weapon.
Right now it's good only for selling since it's one of the worst polearms and has a pretty useless bonus

I've played.... a lot... The battle standard is very useful, but it depends on the battle. It can be used as a weapon, but the aoe resolve buff is its main purpose. You do need a guy with good resolve to make the most of it. As high as you can get, 130s is good by level 11 but >80 is decent for early game. You still want >100 resolve even if the banner maxes out because rally still benefits over 100 (I do know that it did not maxout at 100 in vanilla, but I don't have a 110+ resolve sergeant yet to verify what you mentioned in another post about maxing out at 100). Given that resolve increases the effectiveness of every mercenary in the group, it's hugely helpful. It can mean the difference between everybody being confident (+10% all stats) versus neutral, or if things are going badly or you're getting surrounded, neutral instead of a -10% to all stats or worse. When guys are wavering their resolve goes down too, so resolve checks will experience a sort of momentum in one direction or the other. Hugely helpful to counter resolve effects of geists, hexxen, alps, orc warlords, undead priests, when getting surrounded, but basically always useful.

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Originally posted by Gaudium:

How is that relevant to the OP?

Well witch hunters are immune to some fear effects. There could potentially be a situation where all your brothers are running around in a panic. If a witch hunter has the battle standard he can more easily rally everyone. The point is the battle standard has more than one use than just attacking with it.

Na, witch hunters themselves have a resistance to fear effects, but the sergeant's resolve is so high anyway it's of marginal benefit to use the witch hunter as a sergeant as opposed to a cheaper background with the same 100+ resolve. If he had melee-oriented stats, a witch hunter could do well against resolve-intensive battles.

[Pickle Rick]

If you think the reso

Originally posted by Huggles `:

Originally posted by The Duck Knight:

If...I remeber correctly the +resolve from the banner is based on the resolve of the one carrying it.
So...the higher his resolve, the higher ALL brothers (in range) resolve.

To a maximum of +10, on the condition that you upgrade resolve on that dude instead of useful things every time, and that you give him one of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weapons in the game too so that he's useless in combat.
And this is at the end of the game, meaning that for the most of the game it's completely and entirely useless.

The standard should have elite level stats

I'm not sure how you can say a possibility to get a total of 120 resolve more or less distributed among your 12 brothers not being worth losing out a bit of damage. You could potentially level less resolve on others exchange it for melee attack if you want to. All in all it serves its purpose.

[Toppopia]

High resolve means all your bros get the higher morale boost to their stats which easily outweighs the sergeant doing less damage with the stab attack since everyone else hits easier/dodges easier. Unless it got changed recently the stab is still pretty decent anyway.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by Toppopia:

High resolve means all your bros get the higher morale boost to their stats which easily outweighs the sergeant doing less damage with the stab attack since everyone else hits easier/dodges easier. Unless it got changed recently the stab is still pretty decent anyway.

Actually polearm mastery got changed to make it so polearm attacks cost 1 point less with the skill learned. So if your standard bearer has that he's actually able to move 2 spaces and attack instead of just 1 like before.

[Bananenbaum]

The Banner is one of the strongest items in the game.
If you really think its useless, you obviously dont understand how resolve works.
Get your facts straight, noob.

[Daergar]

Before it gets completely derailed, how about a second quest or event that let us, ahem, upgrade the stats on the stick that holds the banner and everything is peachy?

Maybe even have a crafting option on it, unless that's already a thing (not far into the dlc)?

[bwc153]

The battle standard is very useful for the reasons people mentioned, and there are definitely worse weapons in the game as far as offensive abilities go.

Originally posted by Hansel, so hot right now:

this is most lame thing i ever saw . they took 1000 gold from me to give me a lame banner. it should be optinale to pay 1000 gold. i dont want it .

You chose to take that ambition, the game clearly tells you that you're getting a battle standard and you chose to pay a bunch of money to get that banner made. Why is it the game's fault for you choosing to do this?

[anaphylactic god]

Originally posted by Huggles `:

Give it the stats of an elite weapon.
Right now it's good only for selling since it's one of the worst polearms and has a pretty useless bonus

dude, its a stick with piece of cloth on it.
you can get it by day 5.
why would devs make it elite weapon ?