Spoiler: Betray Alliance?

[Deten]

After siding with Disfavored, I go outside and talk to "Iron Marshal Erenyos", since I was "friendly" with the oathbreakers, I have a few options:

1. Lie
2. Betray Alliance
3. Betray Alliance
4. something scarlet chorus
5. Im not ready

I am super confused what "betray alliance" means. Does this mean I am betraying my alliance with the oathbreakers, or betraying the alliance between me and Kyros' troops?

[OnlyOffensive]

There are 4 ways to play: Disfavored, chorus, rebels, anarchy. I think joining rebels only possible in act 1 if you have sufficent loyality with them, anarchy is a betraying current alliance ( including rebels i beilive ) and start to play for yourself, kinda like in new vegas with that happy face robot. There are couple of opportunities to betray current alliance and take anarchy path, first opportunity in the end of act 1 for non rebel path.

[Deten]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

There are 4 ways to play: Disfavored, chorus, rebels, anarchy. I think joining rebels only possible in act 1 if you have sufficent loyality with them, anarchy is a betraying current alliance ( including rebels i beilive ) and start to play for yourself, kinda like in new vegas with that happy face robot.

I am not really following. Is betraying alliance necessary to side with the Oathbreakers (or as you say Rebels)? Or is it against siding with them? I want to side with them right now so I want to do the option which leads to that.

I don't want to go Anarchy, I want to go rebels

[OnlyOffensive]

Anarchy doesn't mean exactly betraying Kyros ( at least at first ) you just state yourself like independent of disfavored/chorus/rebel conflict and play your own path to power.

To side with rebels you need to have level 1 or 2 loyalty ( dont know exactly how much ) in the end of act 1 and then their boss will recognize you as a "fair judge" and you get an opportunity to side with them. If you didnt let rebel captains escape i dont think it is possible to get that high.

[Deten]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Anarchy doesn't mean exactly betraying Kyros ( at least at first ) you just state yourself like independent of disfavored/chorus/rebel conflict and play your path to power.

To side with rebels you need to have level 1 or 2 loyalty ( dont know exactly how much ) in the end of act 1 and then their boss will recognize you as a "fair judge" and you get an opportunity to side with them.

I already met with rebels and they swore their loyalty to me. So I kinda feel like I already have that.

So Betray alliance means "betraying the Disfavored to assist the Chorus"?

[Deten]

Again, I want to side with the rebels. So I dont know which option leads towards that. I really hate this type of lack of clarity on the games part.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Deten:

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Anarchy doesn't mean exactly betraying Kyros ( at least at first ) you just state yourself like independent of disfavored/chorus/rebel conflict and play your path to power.

To side with rebels you need to have level 1 or 2 loyalty ( dont know exactly how much ) in the end of act 1 and then their boss will recognize you as a "fair judge" and you get an opportunity to side with them.

I already met with rebels and they swore their loyalty to me. So I kinda feel like I already have that.

So Betray alliance means "betraying the Disfavored to assist the Chorus"?

not quite this. In war tent you made first major decision, if you picked Ashe over voices, you can't assist Chorus no more, if you "betray" ashe later you went anarchy path declaring yourself out of their conflict or join with rebels.

[Deten]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Originally posted by Deten:

I already met with rebels and they swore their loyalty to me. So I kinda feel like I already have that.

So Betray alliance means "betraying the Disfavored to assist the Chorus"?

not quite this. In war tent you made first major decision, if you picked Ashe over voices, you can't assist Chorus no more, if you "betray" ashe later you went anarchy path declaring yourself out of their conflict or join with rebels.

Okay so "Betray Alliance" helps me join the rebels?

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Deten:

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

not quite this. In war tent you made first major decision, if you picked Ashe over voices, you can't assist Chorus no more, if you "betray" ashe later you went anarchy path declaring yourself out of their conflict or join with rebels.

Okay so "Betray Alliance" helps me join the rebels?

Well if you have an option to side with Rebels in the end of act 1, yes you basically betraying all other factions. if you play path of damned i'd recommend to get wraith with disfavored level 5 to sever Ashe aegis if you go against them.

[Deten]

Okay update. "Betray Alliance" does not help ally with rebels.

[Morganisms]

Originally posted by Deten:

Okay update. "Betray Alliance" does not help ally with rebels.

In order to join the Rebels, you have to have enough favor for the option to present itself at the end of act 1. In order to do so, be nice to them in Conquest and spare them whenever possible. The rebel route feels intentionally hidden, personally. All the other routes are explicitly chosen at some point, whereas you can be the game 3 times and not know the rebel route exists.

[haplok]

To enter the rebel path don't speak to Marshall at the end of Act 1.
Ignore the Disfavoured assault preparations, leave their camp and go for the Ascension Hall, as earlier discussed with the rebels.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Coda:

Originally posted by Deten:

Okay update. "Betray Alliance" does not help ally with rebels.

In order to join the Rebels, you have to have enough favor for the option to present itself at the end of act 1. In order to do so, be nice to them in Conquest and spare them whenever possible. The rebel route feels intentionally hidden, personally. All the other routes are explicitly chosen at some point, whereas you can be the game 3 times and not know the rebel route exists.

Are you sure there are options with rebels in conquest? I didnt sweep through it completely, but from what i saw it was disfavored/chorus decisions.

For me helping rebels doesnt make much sense in terms of gameplay, it looks like random let them go for no reason.

[Deten]

To clarify. You have to choose option 1 (lie). Both "Betray" options result in you assaulting the rebels.

Yes I ran through the entire assault and discovered that there were no options to ally with them. But when I choose Lie, it lets me join the Rebels BEFORE assault and help defend.