So whats ACTUALLY going on here? (SPOILERS!!!!)

[Allisonlj]

Seriously guys there will be spoilers....(some big ones here---mostly in the comments too im sure)

So i played through the game years ago and played through it again just recently. Now im playing it yet AGAIN to try and see what the hell i missed because the back story has some serious holes in it as far as i can tell.




Theory from what i can pick apart:
Lets assume that Yu Yevon -a summoner was born with some power, then found/learned more power, and eventually got himself some powered up version of auto-life that when killed instead of filling up his body he could fill up the body of something else bigger and stronger. So when he took over the powerful beings he began to corrupt them and through the power of death became stronger yet...over and over....leading to a giant so large it has a ruined city on its back named Sin.... Zanarkand having been wiped out by Sin pooled together all thier summoners to basically summon (SPOILERS AGAIN SRSLY) Tidus from the past to defeat Sin....

Questions: (SPOILERS OMG)
How did Jecht get to Spira?
How did Sin(jecht) travel in time with Auron to get back to Zanarkand before the time Sin(Yu?) destroyed it?
If Summoners are able to send the dead why not send Sin? They apparently arent required to be re-dead as seen with the wedding scene and with Auron.

Questions about X2: Yuna is fricken the savior of all of Spira...why in X-2 does she have to pay for anything? While many summoners were apparently just perpectuating Sin. Yuna was not, why id Beclem so hostile with her? OBVIOUSLY she has what it takes without your gunners gauntlet she defeated Sin. Also--summoners may not be able to summon anymore but wouldnt they still be needed for sending? There are obviously still fiends, therefore there still needs to be sendings.

Any answers or other unanswerable questions will be throughly enjoyed.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Yu Yevon isn't and never was Sin. Sin is just a shell, an armour he made to protect himself while he summons the biggest summon in the world.

Jecht and Tidus are from what we call "Dream Zanarkand", which is what is being summoned by Yu Yevon using the massive number of fayths in Gagazet, and that DZ, as a summon, is a real thing, somehwere near the Baaj Temple on the world map.

Jecht got too far at sea one day during training, found Sin nearby, and ended up outside DZ.

Auron didn't travel back in time, there is no time travel in FFX. Auron simply rode on Sin to DZ.

Sin isn't an unsent or an aeon. It uses an aeon as its core, but it is just a mass of pyreflies (which, as seen from every enemy in the game, can become a solid being), and so cannot be sent.

X-2: Because she doesn't want to abuse her fame? She's not the type to do that. No idea what you're saying about "perpectuating Sin". If you mean perpetuate, none of the summoners were, or at least not on purpose. The maesters of Yevon knew what was up, though.

[MorningLightMountain]

Originally posted by Allisonlj:

Questions: (SPOILERS OMG)
How did Jecht get to Spira?
How did Sin(jecht) travel in time with Auron to get back to Zanarkand before the time Sin(Yu?) destroyed it?
If Summoners are able to send the dead why not send Sin? They apparently arent required to be re-dead as seen with the wedding scene and with Auron.

The game dispels the notion that time travel is involved and the scene at the Fayth scar answers a lot of your questions.

[EnglishRosie]

Originally posted by Allisonlj:

Questions about X2: Yuna is fricken the savior of all of Spira...why in X-2 does she have to pay for anything? While many summoners were apparently just perpectuating Sin. Yuna was not, why id Beclem so hostile with her? OBVIOUSLY she has what it takes without your gunners gauntlet she defeated Sin. Also--summoners may not be able to summon anymore but wouldnt they still be needed for sending? There are obviously still fiends, therefore there still needs to be sendings.

Beclem's issue is that he has a major distrust/hatred of all things Yevon, and he dismisses Yuna as having been coddled on her journey- he cares about physical prowess as well as strength of will, and Yuna didn't beat Sin alone by shooting it in the face, she had a seemingly uncommonly large group of guardians to protect her.

As for sending, the audio drama (badly characterised/written as it is) explains that post-Sin people become designated Senders just as they became Summoners beforehand. So yes, they do still need sendings, so they keep teaching people how to send.

[Zloth]

Questions about X2: Yuna is fricken the savior of all of Spira...why in X-2 does she have to pay for anything?

Ever watch Babylon 5? Being a hero has its good points: it looks great on the resume, you get to make your own hours - but the pay sucks.

[Allisonlj]

Originally posted by Zloth:

Questions about X2: Yuna is fricken the savior of all of Spira...why in X-2 does she have to pay for anything?

Ever watch Babylon 5? Being a hero has its good points: it looks great on the resume, you get to make your own hours - but the pay sucks.

OMG great quote been soooooooo long since ive watched that show.

[Jakolentu]

Sometimes I get the feeling that X is a loose metaphor of Japan and its defeat in the world war. Dreaming of what it could have been, had there been no war. Carrying on tradition and questionable beliefs for mental and spiritual respite, while the past continually haunts them. Yuna, representing contemporary youth in Japan, shy, hesitant and timid - yearning for their ideal image; blond hair, blue-eyes, sporty, rebel-type. But that, too, is ephemeral and no more than a dream. Only with the help of friends and allies is she able to overcome the dogma, guilt and constraints of the past. Don't let the sins of your ancestors define you - believe in your own strength, be a little selfish, and push past your fears.

And lastly, communal activities - like sports - can bring people together and build understanding even if they have differences. Despite the flaws it's still better than war.

[Zloth]

Could be, Jakolentu, though I have a hunch that you're thinking more deeply about the story than the writers did.

[Gosen]

Half of the characters in this game are not even really alive, it can be confusing indeed.

[BloodyStigmata]

Originally posted by KarmaTheAlligator:

Yu Yevon isn't and never was Sin. Sin is just a shell, an armour he made to protect himself while he summons the biggest summon in the world.

Jecht and Tidus are from what we call "Dream Zanarkand", which is what is being summoned by Yu Yevon using the massive number of fayths in Gagazet, and that DZ, as a summon, is a real thing, somehwere near the Baaj Temple on the world map.

Jecht got too far at sea one day during training, found Sin nearby, and ended up outside DZ.

Auron didn't travel back in time, there is no time travel in FFX. Auron simply rode on Sin to DZ.

Sin isn't an unsent or an aeon. It uses an aeon as its core, but it is just a mass of pyreflies (which, as seen from every enemy in the game, can become a solid being), and so cannot be sent.

X-2: Because she doesn't want to abuse her fame? She's not the type to do that. No idea what you're saying about "perpectuating Sin". If you mean perpetuate, none of the summoners were, or at least not on purpose. The maesters of Yevon knew what was up, though.

All of this.

[funkystrawberries]

Originally posted by KarmaTheAlligator:

Yu Yevon isn't and never was Sin. Sin is just a shell, an armour he made to protect himself while he summons the biggest summon in the world.

Jecht and Tidus are from what we call "Dream Zanarkand", which is what is being summoned by Yu Yevon using the massive number of fayths in Gagazet, and that DZ, as a summon, is a real thing, somehwere near the Baaj Temple on the world map.

Jecht got too far at sea one day during training, found Sin nearby, and ended up outside DZ.

Auron didn't travel back in time, there is no time travel in FFX. Auron simply rode on Sin to DZ.

Sin isn't an unsent or an aeon. It uses an aeon as its core, but it is just a mass of pyreflies (which, as seen from every enemy in the game, can become a solid being), and so cannot be sent.

X-2: Because she doesn't want to abuse her fame? She's not the type to do that. No idea what you're saying about "perpectuating Sin". If you mean perpetuate, none of the summoners were, or at least not on purpose. The maesters of Yevon knew what was up, though.

Wait, you're saying that dream Zanarkand is a "real" place that exists in the same time and geographical location as Spira? Just on a separate place on the world map?

[Gilbertify]

Jecht and Tidus aren't real. They're dreams. Jecht was sent 990 years into the future and went on a pilgramage with Braska and Auron. Auron has been dead for 35 years. Jecht tells Auron to go back in time to get Tidus. Tidus is sent 1000 years into the future.

[Quackberry]

Originally posted by funkystrawberries:

Wait, you're saying that dream Zanarkand is a "real" place that exists in the same time and geographical location as Spira? Just on a separate place on the world map?

Exactly. DZ is being summoned just like how other Aeons are summoned. "that which becomes unreal becomes real for all to see!"

Part of Sins purpose is to keep people from discovering DZ by keeping Spira from technologically advancing enough to discover it.

[Quackberry]

Originally posted by Gilbertify:

Jecht and Tidus aren't real. They're dreams. Jecht was sent 990 years into the future and went on a pilgramage with Braska and Auron. Auron has been dead for 35 years. Jecht tells Auron to go back in time to get Tidus. Tidus is sent 1000 years into the future.

As KarmaTheAlligator already explained there is not actually any time travel in FFX.

[Ludus Aurea]

Did you actually play the game?

Jecht got to Spira because he was already in Spira, in dream Zanarkand. The fayth basically poofed him in to existence in the real world. Tidus got there from Jecht directly, which begs the question why the fayth didn't do the same for him.

However, to say DZ was a real physical place that Jecht somehow escaped from, I don't think that's accurate at all, and I'm sure it's nowhere near Baaj temple or it would been kind of obvious from A) The airship and B) When the Al Bhed find Tidus near Baaj and he helps find the airship. Not to mention C) They had to actually salvage the airship, which is a huge operation one ♥♥♥♥♥♥ boat alone can't handle.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Originally posted by Grenadeh:

However, to say DZ was a real physical place that Jecht somehow escaped from, I don't think that's accurate at all, and I'm sure it's nowhere near Baaj temple or it would been kind of obvious from A) The airship and B) When the Al Bhed find Tidus near Baaj and he helps find the airship. Not to mention C) They had to actually salvage the airship, which is a huge operation one ♥♥♥♥♥♥ boat alone can't handle.

Think what you want, DZ's location has been confirmed in the Ultimania. Keep in mind that near Baaj Temple doesn't mean it's "down the road from it" or anything. Baaj Temple just happens to be the closest location we can actually reach. That whole area is just ocean, it can be anywhere there, and Sin is guarding the place. No-one goes exploring and comes back.

Jecht "escaping" from DZ was said in-game, too (it's not so much an escape, he went too far at sea, found Sin, got carried away by Sin).