I Get Why People Hate Blitzball Now

[Damedius]

That first tournament is awful and you can't play the first game. In the second game you could be just about to score and they stop the game, take you out put Wakka in. I'm not sure how I missed that the first time playing but after just replaying the game, that left a bitter taste in my mouth.

[Hinnyuu]

I can only recommend people use tools like Farplane etc. to just skip the minigames they hate. I myself am happy to never have to do Catcher and Lighting Dodge ever again in my life, after doing them several dozen times over the years.

[BahamaLlama]

Origineel geplaatst door Hinnyuu:

I can only recommend people use tools like Farplane etc. to just skip the minigames they hate. I myself am happy to never have to do Catcher and Lighting Dodge ever again in my life, after doing them several dozen times over the years.

The catcher mini-game is annoying, but, the lightning dodging becomes easy when you learn how to cheese it. The problem with the lightning dodge is you don't know how many you've dodged until you go and check the prize. I cannot state how many times I've "thought" I've done 200, only to find out I was a few off and had to START ALL OVER AGAIN!.


I get lucky with the catcher game though, usually do it within the first 3-5 attempts. There's only been once where it took literal hours, and by the end of it I wanted to throw my computer out of the window xD.

[Damedius]

Origineel geplaatst door Hinnyuu:

Remember that players have roles. Don't try and make every player do everything, that's just a bad idea in general.

So after playing blitzball again for a bit to get Wakka's celestial weapon, Tidus definitely isn't that good. Wedge outshines in the early game by a far margin. Wedge has the speed to get in alone on breakaways, the endurance to win one one one battles and the attack to steal the ball, sometimes resulting in a possible goal. He also has a slightly higher shooting stat. If it wasn't for Jecht Shot, Tidus would be completely useless in the early game.

That's just one player I found who made a better early game forward, there are probably plenty more. It's funny that Square gave Wakka and Tidus such poor stats.

[Hinnyuu]

Origineel geplaatst door Damedius:

If it wasn't for Jecht Shot, Tidus would be completely useless in the early game.

Again, though: he DOES have it, and it makes him better at shooting goals than any other player in the game.

Can you twist your game into playing in ways that play to other people's strengths more, by getting your forwards into situations they'd otherwise not get into? Sure. That's your choice. It doesn't change the fact that no one is better at getting goals than Tidus, just because you can intentionally play it in a way that makes him worse at certain things.

As long as you only face a maximum of 2 defenders, Tidus effectively has INFINITE stats. He can never lose a 2-defender break. Ever. No one can do better than that, as the SHT score is largely irrelevant against any goalie but Nimrook, who you can (and should) just recruit yourself.

[Damedius]

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If it wasn't for Jecht Shot, Tidus would be completely useless in the early game.

It doesn't change the fact that no one is better at getting goals than Tidus,

Wedge is way better than Tidus. It's not even close. Jecht Shot costs 120 HP per shot. Venom shot from Wedge is 20. 5 goals is 600 HP vs 100 HP per half. Wedge can get a break away and pull away from defenders. Tidus just gets caught from behind and against a decent goalie Jecht shot won't help because he is too far away from the net when he gets caught. Wedge can often get the ball from from off of the opposing teams Midfielder right after the tip off, walk in and score. Tidus couldn't knock over a paper bag.

There are too many advantages that Wedge has over Tidus to ignore. Tidus a one trick pony that is outdone by a lot of better forwards in the game.

[Hinnyuu]

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against a decent goalie Jecht shot won't help because he is too far away from the net when he gets caught.

That's what I mean by you playing in ways that intentionally make Tidus look bad. If you want to do that, by all means, pick someone else. That doesn't change the fact that you could play better, and have Tidus be the best at shooting goals not close.

Also: Jecht Shot is for goals against defenders. You don't use it on an empty goal, you use other shots (like e.g. Sphere Shot). No goalie other than Nimrook is any kind of threat whatsoever - the ONLY thing stopping you from slamming goal after goal are defenders. And Tidus is unmatched in the entire game in his performance against defenders.

The first step should always be strategy. If you don't optimize that, of course things start looking wonky because things happen that should never be happening. Work on that first. Worry about stats after.

[Damedius]

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against a decent goalie Jecht shot won't help because he is too far away from the net when he gets caught.

That's what I mean by you playing in ways that intentionally make Tidus look bad. If you want to do that, by all means, pick someone else. That doesn't change the fact that you could play better, and have Tidus be the best at shooting goals not close.

Also: Jecht Shot is for goals against defenders. You don't use it on an empty goal, you use other shots (like e.g. Sphere Shot). No goalie other than Nimrook is any kind of threat whatsoever - the ONLY thing stopping you from slamming goal after goal are defenders. And Tidus is unmatched in the entire game in his performance against defenders.

The first step should always be strategy. If you don't optimize that, of course things start looking wonky because things happen that should never be happening. Work on that first. Worry about stats after.

I think the problem is you are playing suboptimally by using Tidus and you fail to see this. You should try Wedge and see just how good he is. Wedge isn't bothered by defenders like Tidus is.

Your first step would be to develop a decent strategy where you aren't relying on a sub optimal player like Tidus. I understand that Tidus can be a noob trap where you don't take the time to develop a decent strategy and just base your entire gameplay built around one move.

[Casurin]

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I think the problem is you are playing suboptimally by using Tidus and you fail to see this. You should try Wedge and see just how good he is. Wedge isn't bothered by defenders like Tidus is.

Uhmm... the time a game takes is fixed. Using Tidus will basically guarantee you multiple goals per halftime as you can ignore up to 2 defenders. If you are so bad at blitzball that your shooter constly faces 3 or more enemies then there is no need to talk about how good the characters are cause it is just you being bad.

Origineel geplaatst door Damedius:

Your first step would be to develop a decent strategy where you aren't relying on a sub optimal player like Tidus.

"An F1 car is totally suboptimal for racing cause you are relying on it being fast".

[Hinnyuu]

Origineel geplaatst door Damedius:

Wedge isn't bothered by defenders like Tidus is.

It's just really hard to take you seriously after a comment like that, sorry.

Did I just fall for a big troll? I did, didn't I. Well played, I guess! ;)

[Damedius]

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I think the problem is you are playing suboptimally by using Tidus and you fail to see this. You should try Wedge and see just how good he is. Wedge isn't bothered by defenders like Tidus is.

Uhmm... the time a game takes is fixed.

Wedge is faster than Tidus and can take the ball away from the midfielder after the tip. Wedge can easily score more than Tidus in a game.

[Damedius]

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Wedge isn't bothered by defenders like Tidus is.

It's just really hard to take you seriously after a comment like that, sorry.

Did I just fall for a big troll? I did, didn't I. Well played, I guess! ;)

He isn't. He is faster than most defenders, so he can outrun them and he has the endurance to break tackles against most defenders. Tidus can't do either.

For someone who thinks they know something about Blitz ball, it's surprising how little you seem to know about the players, their abilities and their stats.

[Hinnyuu]

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For someone who thinks they know something about Blitz ball, it's surprising how little you seem to know about the players, their abilities and their stats.

You just suggested that Wedge "isn't bothered by defenders" like Tidus is. That's one of the most ignorant and wrong statements I've ever heard made about BB, so either you're a massive troll (in which case gz, you got me, got me good) or there's a degree of delusion going on here that I'll stay far, far away from.

You keep using whoever you want to use. You do you, bruh. You go that way, I go this way, and let us stay far, far away from each other.

[Damedius]

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For someone who thinks they know something about Blitz ball, it's surprising how little you seem to know about the players, their abilities and their stats.

You just suggested that Wedge "isn't bothered by defenders" like Tidus is. That's one of the most ignorant and wrong statements I've ever heard made about BB, so either you're a massive troll (in which case gz, you got me, got me good) or there's a degree of delusion going on here that I'll stay far, far away from.

You keep using whoever you want to use. You do you, bruh. You go that way, I go this way, and let us stay far, far away from each other.

I wouldn't say it was either the most ignorant or wrong statements about BB. I would say that was you by stating that stats don't matter.

Let's face it, you scored 4 goals in one game with Tidus and now you think he is the best player in the game. Rather than admit you might be wrong, you come here and get all mad about it. It's just a game bro.

[Hinnyuu]

Origineel geplaatst door Damedius:

Let's face it, you scored 4 goals in one game with Tidus and now you think he is the best player in the game. Rather than admit you might be wrong, you come here and get all mad about it. It's just a game bro.

Sorry, YOU started all this?

You've demonstrated in several posts that you don't know the absolute fundamentals of good BB strategy. I'm not the only one who noticed.

To Uno-Reverse your petty little rant: you looked at player stats and went BIGGUR NUMB0R=BETTR! without any idea about how optimal BB is actually played, which is why you suggested something inane like trying to outrun a defender with a forward.

As I said: you do you. I'm not here to teach those who clearly have no interest in getting better. It's not like it's needed. This is just academic optimization, even bad players and bad teams can beat BB with trivial ease.

[Damedius]

Origineel geplaatst door Hinnyuu:

Origineel geplaatst door Damedius:

Let's face it, you scored 4 goals in one game with Tidus and now you think he is the best player in the game. Rather than admit you might be wrong, you come here and get all mad about it. It's just a game bro.

You've demonstrated in several posts that you don't know the absolute fundamentals of good BB strategy. I'm not the only one who noticed.

This whole thread has you been ignoring the fundamentals and strategy. Your entire strategy is Jecht shot. Nothing matters, only Jecht shot.

I'm surprised you can type out these replies with a straight face.