Python vs Asp Explorer

[Astro the Cat]

I am considering upgrading to a Python, been playing for about 2 months. I play about 45-60 minutes a day, doing mining. In my Asp, I have 64 cargo space, and I rarely run out of space.

I do Core mining (still not very good, but practice makes perfect, lol).

My question is, do I need to upgrade? I have replaced the shield, I play in Solo mode, if I get interdicted (which is now easy to get out of) and someone opens fire on me, my shields are at 80% (or better), before I hit supercruide. If I get hit again, rinse and repeat.

So, do I need to upgrade? I am not interested in PVE, I love mining, doing courier missions, which may include cargo.

[funkynutz]

You can carry significantly more cargo in the Python. It can also fit more limpet controllers, so it'll be better/faster for mining.

If you can afford to spend about 70 mil (or more) on it, and still have a few rebuys covered, go for it.

The only real downsides are less jump range, and a bit slower to fly (not too bad though).

Keep the AspX as well though. It's a versatile ship, and the view from the cockpit is one of the better ones for explorers.

[fullarmor2]

If cargo and mining are your thing, you'll love the Python.

[Jeebs]

Do you need to upgrade? By your own admission, no.

Will the Python allow you do more than you can with the AspX? Absolutely.

You can do just about anything in a Python. The AspX beats it for exploration, but that shouldn't be a shock. The Python can haul more, has stronger defenses and bigger weapon hardpoints, and has more internal space for tools.

It's also bigger, slower and less agile than the AspX. That usually doesn't matter, but will factor in mining. It won't be a huge impact, but the AspX will probably be easier to manoeuvre around the rocks and get in/out of the rings a little faster than the Python. Not a big deal really, but I wanted to be as objective as possible.

So I guess it's really up to you. You said that you don't fill the cargo hold in one session, so it sounds like you don't really need to upgrade. That being said, the Python is one of my favourite ships to fly, though I use mine for combat (and my alternate account uses one for trading).

[GunBoat]

Not sure of your funds to upgrade the Python after purchase with 2 months under your belt so consider this. An advantage to buying a ship with ARX (real money) at this time is no buy back if you are killed, no insurance needed on those purchased ships until you upgrade, then just the upgrades have to have insurance. The ship itself never does, you get the ship back for free in effect. This means you can drop your reserves further down and not worry about losing a ship.

The Python Mk 2 can be purchased with ARX and is very similar to the Python with a little more combat focus probably. Do the comparison with the Python and Python Mk 2 and consider buying the Mk2 with Arx. You do that from the game menu, game extras, pre-built ships.

Note the Mk 2 will be available in game later (august) normally but the full ship buy back will be in effect then.

[Sighman]

引用自 GunBoat：

The Python Mk 2 can be purchased with ARX and is very similar to the Python with a little more combat focus probably.

Not just probably, the Python Mk 2 is a combat focused vessel and is one of the worst choices in the game for any other task (except maybe the FDL or the Mamba)

It lacks the interior module slots for a mining build, whereas the Python Mk 1 is ideal.

The new Type 8 might be a great mining ship though - and that will presumably be unlockable with Arx with 0 rebuy cost.

[Holeypaladin]

A Python can carry around 200 tons of cargo while equipped with mining tools and enough shields and weaponry to destroy those pirates if you don't feel like running from them. Plus it's very hard to mass disrupt one... pretty much the only NPC ship that can mass disrupt a Python is an Anaconda.

[0Samuel]

Well, on the one hand, I think you are making "pretty much" do an unreasonable amount of work there, and on the other hand I have now discovered that the mass lock factor actually makes for a pretty decent metric for where a ship falls in the vague progression order of the game.

I have certainly seen Cutters and Corvettes spawn, and suspect combat Elite players see many more, but I don't know that they ever show up as asteroid belt pirates. Or as interdiction pirates, though I'd be surprised if it doesn't reach that point.

But I am fairly sure that the NPC miners in resource sites are one of the few places you'll see a low ranked Cutter. Granted I don't know why they would try to mass lock you, but hey, they could.

[Holeypaladin]

引用自 0Samuel：

Well, on the one hand, I think you are making "pretty much" do an unreasonable amount of work there, and on the other hand I have now discovered that the mass lock factor actually makes for a pretty decent metric for where a ship falls in the vague progression order of the game.

I have certainly seen Cutters and Corvettes spawn, and suspect combat Elite players see many more, but I don't know that they ever show up as asteroid belt pirates. Or as interdiction pirates, though I'd be surprised if it doesn't reach that point.

But I am fairly sure that the NPC miners in resource sites are one of the few places you'll see a low ranked Cutter. Granted I don't know why they would try to mass lock you, but hey, they could.

I'm an Elite ranked combat pilot, and I've never seen a pirate Cutter. You might have confused them for Clippers, which I have seen, but they can't mass disrupt a Python. And I've seen pirate Corvettes, but only as threat 4 assassination mission targets.

The only Interdiction pirates that can mass disrupt the Python are the Anacondas and the Type-10, which admittedly appear quite frequently. But they're built like paper tigers, and an engineered Python can choose whether to destroy it or outrun it.

[funkynutz]

引用自 Holeypaladin：

I'm an Elite ranked combat pilot, and I've never seen a pirate Cutter. You might have confused them for Clippers, which I have seen, but they can't mass disrupt a Python. And I've seen pirate Corvettes, but only as threat 4 assassination mission targets.

The only Interdiction pirates that can mass disrupt the Python are the Anacondas and the Type-10, which admittedly appear quite frequently. But they're built like paper tigers, and an engineered Python can choose whether to destroy it or outrun it.

Spend most of your time in Fed space by any chance?

[Truckin' Tom]

Do NOT buy a pre-built for mining yet. The Python Mk II is a fighter; not a multi-role ship like the original Python. The Type 6 pre-built is an absolute turtle tank. It stinks. It's garbage with no redeemable qualities. It's spec'd so bad, it should come with a warning label. If you want a Type 6, it's already available in game and you can make it a miner with in-game credits. Even at two months experience, I'm sure you'd do a better job at it than whoever spec'd the pre-built. (If you can fire the lasers without the ship shutting down, you built a better one. I'm not even joking. That's how bad the thing is.)

As far as your question, the Python is a fantastic ship for mining. It's slender, responsive and easy to putter around 'roids while your limpets are snatching up minerals. Even with all of the necessary modules, you're looking at about 100t or more of cargo space and you can set it up for laser mining too. (Even though laser mining works best in metallic and metal rich rings, you can do it in any hotspot; even icy rings.)

[Holeypaladin]

引用自 funkynutz：

Spend most of your time in Fed space by any chance?

Imperial space, actually. Could be they spawn in locations I don't frequent, but they never, ever spawn in Supercruise.

[GunBoat]

引用自 Sighman：

引用自 GunBoat：

The Python Mk 2 can be purchased with ARX and is very similar to the Python with a little more combat focus probably.

Not just probably, the Python Mk 2 is a combat focused vessel and is one of the worst choices in the game for any other task (except maybe the FDL or the Mamba)

It lacks the interior module slots for a mining build, whereas the Python Mk 1 is ideal.

The new Type 8 might be a great mining ship though - and that will presumably be unlockable with Arx with 0 rebuy cost.

Fuddy-duddy much, Outfitting the MK2 in a mining role with its fire power and hull and going shieldless with no ship buy back needed and being able to put all your game money into A rating it. Gotta give that a go. It may just change your interdiction tactics.

[clif9710]

I have a Python for combat and a AspX for mining. No complaints on either one for the roles I ask them to play. I don't fight with the Asp, but wait until I am challenged when entering a mining area, then go about the mining. I like the Asp for whipping around the asteroids.

[Sighman]

引用自 GunBoat：

引用自 Sighman：

Not just probably, the Python Mk 2 is a combat focused vessel and is one of the worst choices in the game for any other task (except maybe the FDL or the Mamba)

It lacks the interior module slots for a mining build, whereas the Python Mk 1 is ideal.

The new Type 8 might be a great mining ship though - and that will presumably be unlockable with Arx with 0 rebuy cost.

Fuddy-duddy much, Outfitting the MK2 in a mining role with its fire power and hull and going shieldless with no ship buy back needed and being able to put all your game money into A rating it. Gotta give that a go. It may just change your interdiction tactics.

Hey yes, and scooping fragments manually because you can't fit a collector limpet is peak gameplay ;-)

[spam]

Python is one of my favorite ships, but I recommend you stick with your Aspx since you are not running out of space. Once cargo space becomes an issue, Python would be the logical choice.