Ground Combat Bond Pay

[Serath]

So I was watching this video about Ground Conflict Zones and decided to do the same thing, but my combat bond payout is not nearly as much as the person in this video. I'm only getting a few thousand credits per kill, while the person in this video is getting anywhere between 30k to 80k....."each." He ends up with about 15 million at the end of just one CZ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah8ZWR-mrl8&t=466s&ab_channel=CommanderExorcist

What am I doing different or wrong? At first I thought it was the intensity of the CZ being too low, (something else I had to look up because that was changed to "threat" now, just like missions previously using career ranks instead) but I just did another one at Threat 3 and I'm still getting the same amount.

Now, I know threat levels can go up to 9 or something in missions, maybe....5 or so in signal sources, and I read on Reddit that "threat" levels 1, 2, and 3 represented the old low, medium, and high intensity of the CZs before the change. (Because forget consistency, apparently, lets all use the same terminology but have the highest number be different depending on the context, ugh) So if I'm doing the highest threat, level 3, what else am I missing? (Which TBH doesn't really feel that hard since I'm only at Grade 3 and am able to turn the tables from a losing side.....so I know I got to be missing something.)

I even just go to Rookie level in the Merc career, if that matters. AFAIK career rank only alters mission pay, not combat bonds from CZs.

[Stelar Seven]

I haven't seen the change you are talking about, been a while since Ibl fought on the ground, but this is what got me 10-15 million per cz

Step 1 is find the most dangerous, that used to be High and not every war or every system had one.

Step 2 is ignore the capture points and get as many tags as possible. Don't just focus one target down. I use the laser rifle to tage whole groups, then work down individuals. Again hits and kills, don't waste time on flags.

Have a ship nearby, you can park a srv pretty safely if you park touching one of the aa guns. Drive away, hit suoercruise and repeat.

[Serath]

Originally posted by Stelar Seven:

I haven't seen the change you are talking about, been a while since Ibl fought on the ground, but this is what got me 10-15 million per cz

Step 1 is find the most dangerous, that used to be High and not every war or every system had one.

Step 2 is ignore the capture points and get as many tags as possible. Don't just focus one target down. I use the laser rifle to tage whole groups, then work down individuals. Again hits and kills, don't waste time on flags.

Have a ship nearby, you can park a srv pretty safely if you park touching one of the aa guns. Drive away, hit suoercruise and repeat.

I think you're forgetting the fact that I'm only getting 3k-5k a kill, that's kind of the root of the problem here.

I'm literally doing the exact thing the video shows. He's playing the game normally by attempting to win the CZ. Yes, I have an SRV parked nearby, it's already covered in the video and that's what I'm doing. As evidenced by the video, you don't need to supercruise away to repeat the process. Just go into the SRV, quit to the main menu, and log back in. CZ is restarted, and you'll still in the SRV where you parked it. Tried it myself and it works. That's faster than SCing away and back.

Second, I don't think you're understanding my issue here. Even if I do what you say and ignore the capture points, with a range 3,000 to 5,000 CR a kill, I would need to get at least 5,000 kills in one CZ to make 15 mil. That is virtually impossible, considering each round only seems to last about 10 minutes, and both the person in the video and, apparently you, are accomplishing this, which can only lead to one conclusion: your bonds are paying more, once again, getting to the root of my problem.

If you're able to make that much, that means your combat bonds are paying more, and that's the underlying issue and whole point to this post: how do I make the combat bonds pay more if I'm already at the highest CZ? (Threat 3) Unless I'm not at the highest; you haven't told me if I am or not.

[cswiger]

Your mercenary rank greatly affects mission payout for ground CZs. Going from Defenceless to Soldier roughly doubles the payout.

[Serath]

Originally posted by cswiger:

Your mercenary rank greatly affects mission payout for ground CZs. Going from Defenceless to Soldier roughly doubles the payout.

Thank you, so rank influences it; I'm only at the Rookie level, so the changes are small for me still. The video didn't mention that, and I often stay away from space CZs due to ship rebuy. But then when I found out dying in ground CZs don't really have any real consequences, I decided to try it.

[Stelar Seven]

Originally posted by cswiger:

Your mercenary rank greatly affects mission payout for ground CZs. Going from Defenceless to Soldier roughly doubles the payout.

Its not mission pay, OP is claiming they are getting low threat pay kill payouts for high threat combat zones.

OP,

I haven't engaged the system in months, and I haven't had time to get to one today. My knee jerk reaction to your post would be you are wrong about being in a high threat environment.

However I haven't checked so I'm not calling you wrong, yet.

However from my experience if you were in a high threat environment your t3 gear would lead to you dying a lot. Maybe you are an FPS wizard though.

So I'll be back online in 5 hours or so. If you are also a night owl feel free to send me a ping and we can figure it out. I've been meaning to do some more Odyssey content.

[Serath]

Originally posted by Stelar Seven:

Originally posted by cswiger:

Your mercenary rank greatly affects mission payout for ground CZs. Going from Defenceless to Soldier roughly doubles the payout.

Its not mission pay, OP is claiming they are getting low threat pay kill payouts for high threat combat zones.

OP,

I haven't engaged the system in months, and I haven't had time to get to one today. My knee jerk reaction to your post would be you are wrong about being in a high threat environment.

However I haven't checked so I'm not calling you wrong, yet.

However from my experience if you were in a high threat environment your t3 gear would lead to you dying a lot. Maybe you are an FPS wizard though.

So I'll be back online in 5 hours or so. If you are also a night owl feel free to send me a ping and we can figure it out. I've been meaning to do some more Odyssey content.

Well, you do get a bonus after the CZ. (Assuming only if you win I guess.) Maybe they meant combat bond payout? I just realized they said mission payout, but maybe that's what they meant to say. It stands to reason it would affect both though.

But yes, like I said, I don't know if I'm at the highest threat CZ or not. I'm not bad at FPS but I'm not godlike either. I've yet to die at a CZ, though I suppose it's because I'm not alone anymore and have friendlies everywhere, or it is in fact a low tier CZ.

Ever since the Odyssey release, they changed it from low, med, and high intensity, (the med I believe was even added later, it used to just be low and high) to just flat out threat level. They did the same with mission difficulty. (Removing the harmless, expert etc.) And in typical FDev fashion, with no explanation to how the new terminology is used.

The game's Wiki though does a good enough job explaining the new Threat levels as far as mission go, but not for CZs; that part seems to be outdated and still refers to the three levels of intensity, not the new Threat logic we have in the game now. Someone on Reddit did say it's 1, 2, and 3....seems easy enough to understand, but my low pay are from a level 3 CZ. I haven't seen anything higher than 3.

[Wilbie]

if you gain 3-5k per kill you'd probably were in a low Combat zone. look if there is a station in the system with a frontline solution counter/shop, use the map to look at all the current combat zones and remeber/write down the High ones. As far as i know that's the only way to look for multiple high combat zones beforehand. High combat zone are the ones that award 30K~ for scout
40K~ for shotgunner/sniper
50K~for commando
80K~ for enforcer
so tag as many enforcers as possible if you don't have good gear and let your teammate NPC take them out.

[Serath]

Originally posted by Wilbie:

if you gain 3-5k per kill you'd probably were in a low Combat zone. look if there is a station in the system with a frontline solution counter/shop, use the map to look at all the current combat zones and remeber/write down the High ones. As far as i know that's the only way to look for multiple high combat zones beforehand. High combat zone are the ones that award 30K~ for scout
40K~ for shotgunner/sniper
50K~for commando
80K~ for enforcer
so tag as many enforcers as possible if you don't have good gear and let your teammate NPC take them out.

Again....I already said I was in a Threat Level 3 CZ, that means I know how to look for them. What I don't know is if 3 is considered high. No one is telling me is 3 is the highest or not, because that's the highest I've ever seen.

[Agony_Aunt]

No idea about threat level, never noticed it or heard about it in relation to CZs. Just paid attention to high/med/low.

[Juklflux]

There is a disconnect in how you are finding combat zones. If you use Frontline It is much easier to find a High threat CZ. If all you are seeing is threat 3, you are looking in the wrong place.
AFAIK you cannot determine if a ground CZ is High/Med/Low from the system map.
Not all systems at war will have a High threat ground CZ.
Using Frontline (at least at first) might be your best bet to find what you want.
Sorry but may be some faulty info here, as it has been a while for me too.

[Sighman]

Threat 3 is the threat level of the base normally, when it's NOT a CZ.

Threat level has nothing to do with the war CZ.

If you're getting 5k a kill, that's a Low CZ. The enemies are made from paper.

[Serath]

Originally posted by Agony_Aunt:

No idea about threat level, never noticed it or heard about it in relation to CZs. Just paid attention to high/med/low.

It's viewable from the planetary map. I don't know where in the game you're able to find surface CZ intensity. SPACE CZ yes, but Surface CZ says absolutely nothing anywhere, only the threat.

Conflict zone in space on Ship HUD, High Intensity.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395675825

Panel info shows CZ as High Intensity.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395675463

Planetary Map showing CZ on surface with Threat Level 3. Someone on Reddit said this means Intensity 3 but I guess they're wrong? Does not mention Intensity.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395675851

Panel info showing surface CZ, does NOT show Intensity, or Threat.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395679721

Panel info shows nothing regarding intensity/threat/whatever about CZ on surface.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395675888

Ship HUD shows nothing either.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395675908

Originally posted by Juklflux:

There is a disconnect in how you are finding combat zones. If you use Frontline It is much easier to find a High threat CZ. If all you are seeing is threat 3, you are looking in the wrong place.
AFAIK you cannot determine if a ground CZ is High/Med/Low from the system map.
Not all systems at war will have a High threat ground CZ.
Using Frontline (at least at first) might be your best bet to find what you want.
Sorry but may be some faulty info here, as it has been a while for me too.

The reason why I don't use Frontlines is because going to the CZ myself manually allows me to reset the conflict zone very quickly. (As shown in the video I linked.)

Originally posted by Sighman:

Threat 3 is the threat level of the base normally, when it's NOT a CZ.

Threat level has nothing to do with the war CZ.

If you're getting 5k a kill, that's a Low CZ. The enemies are made from paper.

Okay, that explains threat level. So where the heck can I find high intensity? Or will only Frontline Solutions tell me?

Even if I wanted to use Fronline, the problem is every time I go to them in a system with conflict zones, they keep telling me they're at peace. Despite the system clearly in Civil Unrest or at War. I"ve seen them active once before, but that was before I was trying to do these.

[FREEZED]

also you can boost your income by joining certain power and getting max rank

[FREEZED]

Originally posted by Serath:

Okay, that explains threat level. So where the heck can I find high intensity? Or will only Frontline Solutions tell me?

Even if I wanted to use Fronline, the problem is every time I go to them in a system with conflict zones, they keep telling me they're at peace. Despite the system clearly in Civil Unrest or at War. I"ve seen them active once before, but that was before I was trying to do these.

you can see it only on front line solutions desk, so you have to visit all possible war systems and check if there is any good conflict zone.

best chance to find high surface conflict sites it to go system where is lot of people living and multiple landable planets. also system needs to have big stations or big bases on planets, so it is relatively easy to find one when you know what you need to look at.

[Serath]

For a minute I thought I figured it out cause I thought "wait, I'm selecting the settlement, not the actual CZ in the navigation tab," but then realized you can't do that. It seems that only space conflict zones show up in navigation panel, not surface ones. Seems redundant if you could, but it's not like it's showing the CZ info either so....