Are Guardian Shield Reinforcement Packages "Worth It"?

[ArtemisHunt]

https://youtu.be/XBgm7leZz0k

Betteridge's Law

Unfortunately in a post-engineering world, I don't think a very good strong argument can be made for GSRPs unless you plan to never come back to base which is simply not a thing if you're doing active BGS in the current FC meta.

[Heimdall313]

FDL just run a Size 4 Prismatic with a Size 5 SCB. Chieftain run a Size 5 Prismatic and Size 6 SCB. Krait, be a troll and run Size 5 Shield / SLF, and two Size 6 SCBs. Corvette, you have the 7/7/7 slots.

The entire vid can kinda just be summed up with "put SCB in biggest slot(s)" lol.

[ArtemisHunt]

Publicado originalmente por Heimdall313:

The entire vid can kinda just be summed up with "put SCB in biggest slot(s)" lol.

Well no, because it's an efficiency analysis. But generally, yes, in terms of efficiency the SCBs are best. But you'd be surprised how often people post builds in the ADC discord which are like 90% GSRPs.

[Heimdall313]

Publicado originalmente por ArtemisHunt:

Publicado originalmente por Heimdall313:

The entire vid can kinda just be summed up with "put SCB in biggest slot(s)" lol.

Well no, because it's an efficiency analysis. But generally, yes, in terms of efficiency the SCBs are best. But you'd be surprised how often people post builds in the ADC discord which are like 90% GSRPs.

Cuz GSRPs aren't blown out by feedback rails

[ArtemisHunt]

Publicado originalmente por Heimdall313:

Cuz GSRPs aren't blown out by feedback rails

No, they're just blown out by literally every other way of analyzing a build. They're just a flat addition to your shield cap and they cost quite a bit for what they offer. The feedback rails comment is pretty silly because of course a mod designed specifically to counter a specific module would be effective against it. Even then, a 5B SCB (unengineered) is worth 5x a 5D GSRP. Feedback cascade has to be on your class 2 rails to even come close to making them COMPARABLE (if we trust sources that say you can negate up to 90% of an SCB).

SCBs are the superior option to GSRPs in almost every situation.

[Agony_Aunt]

I fit guardian shield packages to most of my combat ships. Totally worth it.

[Trackur]

YES! I use them on anything combaty..

[Wesker]

For some SCBs are better and in some OH CRAP! combat situations I would agree they are useful, prior to Gaurdian boosters I ran one in my Conda and Vulture's military slots, yes that makes them a bit undersized but with the mil slot limitations it was the most useful to me,

I tend to build high resistance shields so to me a hull reinforcement package was a waste of the slot as it was rarely being used, plus my hulls are already heavily engineered so they hold up well enough,

The biggest problem with SCBs is the heat they generate, a heat sink must be used, which makes me loose out on a shield booster, another problem specific to my Vulture was the power draw,

The gaurdian boosters though fill the gap and military slot nicely, instead of extra shielding in an emergency I have extra shielding all the time, both from the gaurdian booster as well as the extra heavy duty booster fitted in the slot a heat sink would have to be for use with an SCB,

My Vulture for example, which was unable to run SCBs do to power limits can run a gaurdian booster just fine, 1,171 mj of shielding and no less the 36% resistance across the board with a biweave shield,

I will point out one glaring flaw, I'm unsure if this is a continuing bug or not but even though they use power you cannot shut them off nor can you set a priority for them, as a result in the event my Vulture's power plant is critically damaged I'm pretty close to dead in the water, I have power for thrusters but not the FSD...... so it will be a long trip home o7

[Princess Pilfer]

Guardian shield reinforcements are generally not worth it.

More or less the only time they're going to be better for general combat than a shield booster is if you're not taking enough damage to warrant using a booster mid fight and can rely on regen/supercruise regen instead. But in that case you're still mostly better off with boosters, because if you're not taking enough damage to threaten your Guardian reinforced shield, you're probably *also* not taking enough damage to threaten your un-reinforced shield, so you were better off with the emergency heal anyways.

[Rragar]

Publicado originalmente por ArtemisHunt:

https://youtu.be/XBgm7leZz0k

Betteridge's Law

Unfortunately in a post-engineering world, I don't think a very good strong argument can be made for GSRPs unless you plan to never come back to base which is simply not a thing if you're doing active BGS in the current FC meta.

They are completely worth it in a post-engineering world depending on your setup, especially if you need to meet a desired shield health goal while freeing up utility slots for other modules, or if you want to convert hull tanking ships to shield tanking ships.

[Agony_Aunt]

The main difference is whether you care more about acitve vs passive defense.

SCBs require you to trigger them at a point where you get max benefit from them. You might argue they are overall superior, but they have their cons (heat generation, really need to fit a heat sink to offset the heat generation when you use them). GSBs are more passive. They do their job without any interaction, even if overall they don't quite give the same benefit as SCBs.

One thing to consider though is what you are doing. GSBs have more value over long term encounters where you are not that worried about alpha strike damage. SCBs have more value if you are worried about short term encounters against major damage.

GSBs therefore might be better for extended bounty hunting or CZ sessions, where SCBs might be better for PvP or assassination missions.

Like many things in the game, a lot is situational, depending on what you are doing.

[ArtemisHunt]

Publicado originalmente por Wesker:

My Vulture for example, which was unable to run SCBs do to power limits can run a gaurdian booster just fine, 1,171 mj of shielding and no less the 36% resistance across the board with a biweave shield,

I will point out one glaring flaw, I'm unsure if this is a continuing bug or not but even though they use power you cannot shut them off nor can you set a priority for them, as a result in the event my Vulture's power plant is critically damaged I'm pretty close to dead in the water, I have power for thrusters but not the FSD...... so it will be a long trip home o7

Did you watch the video? I don't say "never" use GSRPs. I point out a niche situation in which they would be better and would you look at that, it's when you're using small ships that can't utilize SCBs effectively.

It's not a bug. It's just the way they're made. They're basically unengineered Shield boosters you're stuck with having on all the time.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Yes, they're worth it, because there's no other module like them. They sync really well with small ships and bi-weaves.

[Wesker]

Publicado originalmente por ArtemisHunt:

Publicado originalmente por Wesker:

My Vulture for example, which was unable to run SCBs do to power limits can run a gaurdian booster just fine, 1,171 mj of shielding and no less the 36% resistance across the board with a biweave shield,

I will point out one glaring flaw, I'm unsure if this is a continuing bug or not but even though they use power you cannot shut them off nor can you set a priority for them, as a result in the event my Vulture's power plant is critically damaged I'm pretty close to dead in the water, I have power for thrusters but not the FSD...... so it will be a long trip home o7

Did you watch the video? I don't say "never" use GSRPs. I point out a niche situation in which they would be better and would you look at that, it's when you're using small ships that can't utilize SCBs effectively.

It's not a bug. It's just the way they're made. They're basically unengineered Shield boosters you're stuck with having on all the time.

So I offended you how? You asked for an opinion, and I gave it, along with pertinent information, but because my thoughts are similar to your own this upsets you?

[ArtemisHunt]

Publicado originalmente por Wesker:

So I offended you how? You asked for an opinion, and I gave it, along with pertinent information, but because my thoughts are similar to your own this upsets you?

I didn't ask for an opinion. I literally state my opinion in the OP and post my video. What offends me is people commenting about my video without actually watching the video.

[Wesker]

Are Guardian Shield Reinforcement Packages "Worth It"?

Is this somehow not a question?

I did watch your video, and I agreed with you about the use of Guardian shields on small ships as I have such a build........ so what is the problem here?