Got a warning letter for cheating?

[dr.beckett]

I got a warning letter saying I was cheating and I had a seven day suspension from playing online.

The irony is I never play this online (in fact, I'm still a lil sore at the devs for promising offline then changing it to online solo).

My connection is ♥♥♥♥ here to the servers, and I can't really play online.. hell I can barely play offline without disconnects.

So its to my surprise that I get this email considering that I just started playing again about a week or two ago, and its only solo without using any hacks. Ironically, I do know that there is a cheat engine trainer for it that works online.. but it would kinda defeat the point of the game to use this imo especially solo.

So not sure what triggered this "community report" of my cheating.. when a.) I wasn't and b.) I never play online. Maybe they got some weird stats off my client due to the internet issues I'm having.

Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone recently got letters as well. Maybe there is some issue with the detection software.. or maybe something I was running in the background got picked up.

[Veeshan]

Originally posted by Kraft51:

Originally posted by CMDR WeeJet:

the fact you have only been playing for a few weeks and know of working cheat engine trainer's. i dont believe you never used one. i have played for years and have never even thought about looking. the fact you have looked one up in such a small time of playing tells me you where looking for one to use.

just take your punishment and dont do it again.

a little presumptuous don't you think? you know all about Nazis right? does that make you a sympathiser? having knowledge about something isn't any indication of anything, malicious or otherwise.

This is a reasonable point, but you've missed a critical component of the analogy. Imagine if I were to move into a town and then immediately look up the local Nazi chapter. But I'm not a Nazi.

It is of course entirely possible that I'm a Nazi historian (i.e. he's just interested in cheating tech). But the default assumption is that I'm just a Nazi.

[Veeshan]

Originally posted by Kraft51:

Originally posted by CMDR WeeJet:

the fact you have only been playing for a few weeks and know of working cheat engine trainer's. i dont believe you never used one. i have played for years and have never even thought about looking. the fact you have looked one up in such a small time of playing tells me you where looking for one to use.

just take your punishment and dont do it again.

a little presumptuous don't you think? you know all about Nazis right? does that make you a sympathiser? having knowledge about something isn't any indication of anything, malicious or otherwise.

What am I thinking, I forgot to misunderstand the entire concept of an analogy in the first place. My apologies for my breach of Internet etiquette.

He's not a Nazi! Cheating doesn't kill anyone! He didn't kill 6 million people in game by cheating!

[Berserk Belta]

Originally posted by CMDR WeeJet:

Originally posted by Kraft51:

a little presumptuous don't you think? you know all about Nazis right? does that make you a sympathiser? having knowledge about something isn't any indication of anything, malicious or otherwise.

point is knowing about a working one. its not easy to find a working cheat program for elite. elites cheaters are very small group that dont tend to make their cheats public. and most of the ones that are public dont actually work. so for him to know of a working one suggests he has really went looking for a working one. and how would he know its working if he never tried it.

I mean it doesn't suggest that to me, because I don't know for sure that cheats for Elite exist, or assuming they do whether they work, how many of them work or anything about the community around them, because I've never looked.

...

You seem to, though. Could be hoisted by your own pitard, there :D

[Harbinger]

Originally posted by Pctechnik:

This is not true, ED is P2P, so the only time data is exchanged is when there is a change in the instance. I could supercruise to hutton orbital and as long as nobody enters my instance in SC, NPC's or players, no data will be sent to Fdup... And I wont receive any either. Press <CTRL + B> to see your exchange of data on the fly.

Any transaction requires server authentication. Be that destroying a vessel, taking in cargo, mining a fragment. Etc.

Even your given example of simply flying to Hutton Orbital will require multiple transactions. Namely reporting your fuel expenditure and position in the system, even changes to the wear & tear of your internal modules.

Peer to Peer is only used, well as the name suggests when you're interacting with another peer. The rest of the time you're interacting with servers even if that's just the odd low data ping once every few seconds.

If people use tools which lie about such transactions then it's only a matter of time before they're detected. Solo, Group or Open. It's all the same.

[funkynutz]

Originally posted by Harbinger:

Originally posted by Pctechnik:

This is not true, ED is P2P, so the only time data is exchanged is when there is a change in the instance. I could supercruise to hutton orbital and as long as nobody enters my instance in SC, NPC's or players, no data will be sent to Fdup... And I wont receive any either. Press <CTRL + B> to see your exchange of data on the fly.

Any transaction requires server authentication. Be that destroying a vessel, taking in cargo, mining a fragment. Etc.

Even your given example of simply flying to Hutton Orbital will require multiple transactions. Namely reporting your fuel expenditure and position in the system, even changes to the wear & tear of your internal modules.

Long haul travel/fuel/wear and tear don't update to the server in real time or anything close to it. You can watch how much data it's sending and when, the trip to Hutton might only update 2 or 3 times assuming nothing happens en route (if at all).

Doing similar long runs I've seen the bandwidth monitor sit at 0B/s for ages in supercruise.

Once when I was out exploring, heading about half a million LS to some random planetoid I'd travelled about 15 or 20 minutes on the way there when there was a power cut... When I logged back in, I was parked back by the main sequence star. Lost all travel progress, couldn't be bothered doing it again (but I did keep the exploration data for other bodies I'd scanned in the system).

It doesn't update until you get close to a gravity well/POI, or someone joins your instance (or you change instance, dropping to normal space near a station for example).

[Marcus Suridius]

Originally posted by skananote:

I can confirm FDev server forcibly disconnecting player in case of poor connection. Experienced this myself good few times. It is very simple working solution. FDev manages the server, they see you struggling to maintain fair connection and they disconnect - THEY DISCONNECT - forcing you to log back in... If you disconnect (few times in short period of time) this can be seen as cheat as people tend to disconnect while in trouble...

No it can't because they can see you being kicked by the server thus the game will know you didn't choose to leave.

I agree that you do get kicked over poor connections or the servers are full and ive been kicked off loads of times but unlike OP I haven't gotten a letter from FDev saying im cheating.

[Kraft51]

Originally posted by Veeshan:

Originally posted by Kraft51:

a little presumptuous don't you think? you know all about Nazis right? does that make you a sympathiser? having knowledge about something isn't any indication of anything, malicious or otherwise.

What am I thinking, I forgot to misunderstand the entire concept of an analogy in the first place. My apologies for my breach of Internet etiquette.

He's not a Nazi! Cheating doesn't kill anyone! He didn't kill 6 million people in game by cheating!

the nazi analogy was an intentional extreme, its was merely to showcase absurdity of assuming someone is, one thing or another, due to having knowledge of the subject. now you're just being facetious for the sake of it.

[Dolphin Bottlenose]

Originally posted by Marcus Suridius:

No it can't because they can see you being kicked by the server thus the game will know you didn't choose to leave.

The server doesn't just kick you on its own. The server terminates a link with your PC, when there is no response from it. No response may happen when your Internet is bad (lost signal, changed your local IP, lost packets), or when you kill the game or pull the plug. On the server's side it looks the same - the server can't know why the connection is lost. It only knows that it's lost and a link should be terminated. If you didn't choose to leave but your connectivity is lost, from the server's side it looks the same like you did choose to leave by pulling the plug.

[Wallis]

Originally posted by CMDR WeeJet:

Originally posted by CMDR WeeJet:

point is knowing about a working one. its not easy to find a working cheat program for elite. elites cheaters are very small group that dont tend to make their cheats public. and most of the ones that are public dont actually work. so for him to know of a working one suggests he has really went looking for a working one. and how would he know its working if he never tried it. and again to be looking for one within a week of starting to play does also not look good on his side

but also might be that he was loading into open and combat logging when he seen other players and noticed he was in open. combat logging is considered cheating.

as for is internet to be at blame. i dont believe that what so ever. if the servers cant connect send or receive data from you correctly for even a second then it will disconnect you.

Hm and yet you seem to be well in the know about cheats working and not, Seems to me like you have done a LOT of fishing for these, and are now well educated on them all. Who is the cheat here?

[Veeshan]

Originally posted by Kraft51:

Originally posted by Veeshan:

What am I thinking, I forgot to misunderstand the entire concept of an analogy in the first place. My apologies for my breach of Internet etiquette.

He's not a Nazi! Cheating doesn't kill anyone! He didn't kill 6 million people in game by cheating!

the nazi analogy was an intentional extreme, its was merely to showcase absurdity of assuming someone is, one thing or another, due to having knowledge of the subject. now you're just being facetious for the sake of it.

... close? That was sarcasm.

[Agony_Aunt]

Well, at least this thread proved Godwin's law.

[Veeshan]

Originally posted by Agony_Aunt:

Well, at least this thread proved Godwin's law.

Shoot, we can all become lawmakers if it's as easy as saying people will use well known historical occasions as analogies. I'm far more interested in how people misuse it when they do bring it up :-)