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Elite Dangerous

♥ Beepy ♥ 2022 年 3 月 10 日 上午 10:03
Odyssey has been CANCELED on Consoles.
Not like it effects us at all, but it's news. With this, I also wonder if/when they will roll Horizons over to the Odyssey engine to further streamline things.

TL;DR: Critical updates will still be made for console Horizons users, but Odyssey is no longer being developed for them.

https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/odyssey-console-development-update
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Lord Rak (已封禁) 2022 年 3 月 11 日 下午 7:12 
I feel it for consoles people but all of us PC players should be happy about that. Game will pick up pace now. Consoles were limiting what Fdev could do with the game.
最后由 Lord Rak 编辑于; 2022 年 3 月 11 日 下午 9:16
Alrik 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 12:11 
引用自 Sethioz
This way, all developers would only have to make games for PC specs. It would make gaming industries evolve in a much faster rate.
An cheap Laptop with Intel Atom and 4 GB RAM is a PC, and won't run many games.


Those who don't understand, consoles are very different from PCs.
Not anymore.

You can't just run a PC game on consoles, just because game looks same, doesn't mean it's same. Developers have to spend a lot of time and effort on converting the game so it's acceptable by console hardware and software. Basically it's like making a whole new game. And then there are different consoles, like xbox and ps, which means even more work for devs. xbox and ps also completely different. So bottom line .. it's like developing 3 games instead of 1.
That is total nonsense.
Last Gen and current Gen consoles use the same CPU/GPU technology as PCs.
They run the same Game engines as PCs (Unreal, cry engine, Cobra engine).

I'm really glad to see these news, I hope as result we'll get much more frequent updates and more content in ED. I hope to see more planetary vehicles and epic scale ground battles (something that you can see in PlanetSide2).
Planetside uses a Server/Client networking and a very simple gameplay to make large Player numbers possible.

Elite Dangerous use peer2peer networking to reduce server costs .

Frontier was not able to get Odyssey running with acceptable FPS on PCs with minimal specs.
Even on PCs with specs much higher than recommend by Frontier Odyssey runs bad.
Expensive content like handcrafted, unique storymission with voice acting or even airlocks for the ships are not in Odyssey.
Nothing of that is caused by the console version, it is caused by the bad new code of Frontier PC version of Odysseys Cobra engine and Frontiers lack of will to spend money on stuff like better ship models, hand crafted missions and voice acting.
Stopping the console ports won't change that.
Heretic 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 1:51 
Either they're going to crash and burn, or they're just doing the sensible thing to survive the backlash. Pull back resources, minimise costs and work on a PC exclusive title that takes full advantage of the technology (VR and VR) to win back the love.

Make Elite Great Again.

I know, it's most likely the former.
HamakiBCN2 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 2:26 
Funny: after a year and a half of not even touching the game, i come back for one day to check on my Fleet Carrier and this happens :p

Anyway, most of what i would say has been said already (count me in the rather pessimistic side), but some actually surprised me. Like how many people are optimistic about what's really a rather ominous announcement.

Like how we assume they're going to focus on PC now. That's not what the announcement said. It said they would focus on post-odissey codebase, that excludes PC Horizons as well. And while some of you assume FD will somehow fuse Horizons with Odissey on PC, they didn't say that at all.

They would have to give away all the graphics enhancements for free to Horizons users. As much as i would like that, why would they do leave money on the table like that? it's just as likely that they're dropping all development for PC Horizons as well, they're just not saying so explicitly.

The fact is, as of today, and until FD announces otherwise, PC horizons users are effectively console users for update purposes. We are running pre-odissey codebase, for which,according to the announcement, all development has been canceled.

Oh and while console users might be only 5% of the playerbase today (i wonder where that number comes from) that wasn't always the case. "we are not losing that playerbase because they already left two years ago" is not really much of a silverlining.
最后由 HamakiBCN2 编辑于; 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 2:26
HamakiBCN2 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 2:34 
引用自 Alrik
引用自 Sethioz
This way, all developers would only have to make games for PC specs. It would make gaming industries evolve in a much faster rate.
An cheap Laptop with Intel Atom and 4 GB RAM is a PC, and won't run many games.

Funny how many PCMR's still believe consoles to be what's dragging down gaming specs, when a $300 Xbox series S mops the floor with what the vast majority of Steam players are using to play PC games.
Harbinger 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 2:43 
@HamakiBCN2: You're reading way too much into it. The only way graphical improvements were ever coming to Horizons users would be as a result of everyone being switched to the Odyssey codebase.

Essentially they're saying all PC users are going to be bumped to the Odyssey codebase either at Update #11 or the next major update thereafter. Odyssey specific features will merely be locked if you don't own the DLC.
最后由 Harbinger 编辑于; 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 2:45
HamakiBCN2 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 2:59 
引用自 Harbinger
@HamakiBCN2: You're reading way too much into it. The only way graphical improvements were ever coming to Horizons users would be as a result of everyone being switched to the Odyssey codebase.

And my point is that many here believe FD will do precisely that.

引用自 Harbinger
Essentially they're saying all PC users are going to be bumped to the Odyssey codebase either at Update #11 or the next major update thereafter. Odyssey specific features will merely be locked if you don't own the DLC.

At no point in the announcement they said that Horizons users will be bumped to the Odissey Codebase. WE said that, not Frontier. All they said in that regard is:

Elite Dangerous will continue on console as it is now together with critical updates, but we will focus on new content updates on PC on the post-Odyssey codebase.

Please notice how the status of PC Pre-odissey updates is absent from the announcement, and how carefully ambiguous the wording is.

Now you say that Horizons could still get new content, but let me ask you (honest question, i do not know). of the last 10 updates, how many included content for Horizon users?
Harbinger 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:07 
You're too laser focused on the most recent announcement and aren't taking in the context of the previous announcements on how things were intended to pan out with the Odyssey rollout.

They never planned to have two separate forks for the long term, EVERYONE (PC and console alike) was going to be bumped onto the Odyssey fork at some point and the old fork retired permanently.
Sighman 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:16 
引用自 HamakiBCN2
They would have to give away all the graphics enhancements for free to Horizons users. As much as i would like that, why would they do leave money on the table like that?

This is precisely what was supposed to happen when Odyssey launched. In fact there was a load of salt at the time because the merge was *delayed* and Horizons players wanted the new planet tech.

If you haven't been around Elite for 18 months then that explains why you didn't know this.
最后由 Sighman 编辑于; 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:17
HamakiBCN2 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:25 
引用自 Harbinger
You're too laser focused on the most recent announcement and aren't taking in the context of the previous announcements on how things were intended to pan out with the Odyssey rollout.

They never planned to have two separate forks for the long term, EVERYONE (PC and console alike) was going to be bumped onto the Odyssey fork at some point and the old fork retired permanently.

Maybe so. As i said, i havent' been keeping up for quite some time. I did not know there were previous official announcements saying explicitly that Horizons users will get bumped to the Odissey fork. (may i ask for a link for peace of mind)?

Although, that could be even worse... if we get bumped to the Odissey codebase, but not necessarily get new content (as/if it's deemed "Odissey specific"), we might end up with the performance hit and none of the new features. hardly a good deal.

By the way, if they never planned to have two separate forks, and yet, for eight years, they had THREE (Xbox, PC, PS4), should we trust Frontier's "planning"? :steammocking:
Harbinger 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:30 
I'm sure you can figure out how to find the information yourself if you put your mind to it. It's pretty clear you're being disingenuous due to your final paragraph.
HamakiBCN2 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:38 
引用自 Sighman
引用自 HamakiBCN2
They would have to give away all the graphics enhancements for free to Horizons users. As much as i would like that, why would they do leave money on the table like that?

This is precisely what was supposed to happen when Odyssey launched. In fact there was a load of salt at the time because the merge was *delayed* and Horizons players wanted the new planet tech.

If you haven't been around Elite for 18 months then that explains why you didn't know this.

Hold Up! So you guys are telling me that it was announced when Odissey launched, (ten months ago), hasn't happened yet, is there a timetable update on that? or are we supposed to believe it's going to happen "Soon(tm)"?

引用自 Harbinger
I'm sure you can figure out how to find the information yourself if you put your mind to it. It's pretty clear you're being disingenuous due to your final paragraph.
Not disingenuous, i was trying to be a little snarky, though. failed quite miserably, apparently. I have no trouble believing that such announcement existed.
最后由 HamakiBCN2 编辑于; 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:40
Sighman 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:38 
Literally 90 seconds of searching turns up this official post from May 12, 2021.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/horizons-odyssey-compatibility.574677/

We hope you enjoyed the recent alpha for the PC version of Elite Dangerous: Odyssey!

Console Launch Onwards:

In line with the console launch, we plan to update Elite Dangerous on all platforms (PC/PlayStation/Xbox) to allow Odyssey and Horizons players to reunite and play together with other users on their respective platform.

All Horizons players will also receive the new graphical updates, including the new planetary tech, lighting, and organics, free of charge, but will not be able to get out on foot or enter Odyssey’s tenuous atmospheres.
Sighman 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:40 
Given Console has been cancelled now, I imagine they'll be able to devote time to bringing Odyssey tech to Horizons as originally planned.
HamakiBCN2 2022 年 3 月 12 日 上午 3:45 
引用自 Harbinger
I'm sure you can figure out how to find the information yourself if you put your mind to it. It's pretty clear you're being disingenuous due to your final paragraph.


引用自 Sighman
Literally 90 seconds of searching turns up this official post from May 12, 2021.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/horizons-odyssey-compatibility.574677/

We hope you enjoyed the recent alpha for the PC version of Elite Dangerous: Odyssey!

Console Launch Onwards:

In line with the console launch, we plan to update Elite Dangerous on all platforms (PC/PlayStation/Xbox) to allow Odyssey and Horizons players to reunite and play together with other users on their respective platform.

All Horizons players will also receive the new graphical updates, including the new planetary tech, lighting, and organics, free of charge, but will not be able to get out on foot or enter Odyssey’s tenuous atmospheres.

Yep, thanks for that. None of it has happened yet, is that correct?
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