Ground combat still impossible

[ZeeHero]

Never been more frustrated in my life. its unplayable. the only completable ground missions are the ones with NO enemies or maybe 1 normal dude.

[Dwolite]

Stealth mechanics are very frustrating. The quieter footsteps mod only modifies SOUND in atmosphere. It doesn't do anything in vacuum or effect the NPCs line-of-sight (and they have VERY good sight). Cover works by just standing behind something. There is no way to lean or look around or blind-cover shoot or anything like that.

[ZeeHero]

Yeah and yet they make success dependent on stealth and often cover. it's terrible design.
Would be fine if those mechanics were a thing cuz with them the difficulty would be just right.

[spam]

OP, you are not alone. I play on-foot content for an hour or two, then give up in frustration, come back a month or so later, rinse & repeat. I have no doubt that it is a skill issue, but I'm not sure how to gain that skill without extreme frustration and/or boredom.

[Sighman]

Originally posted by ZeeHero:

Never been more frustrated in my life. its unplayable. the only completable ground missions are the ones with NO enemies or maybe 1 normal dude.

High intensity conflicts 216
Medium intensity conflicts 161
Low intensity conflicts 152
Total conflict zones 529

High intensity wins 213
Medium intensity wins 156
Low intensity wins 148

Total wins 517

Stats say otherwise?

ETA:

Total murders 3,720
Citizens murdered 1,395
Omnipol murdered 58
Guards murdered 2,267

Total items rescued 995
Maglocks cut 1,857
Panels cut 963
Settlement fires extinguished 1,161
Settlements rebooted 112

[XOLiD]

Dude we get it you play this game almost exclusively you don't need to keep weird flexing

[spam]

Originally posted by XOLiD:

Dude we get it you play this game almost exclusively you don't need to keep weird flexing

I don't know, if I had those kinds of stats, I would probably want to flex too. Just sayin.

[Sighman]

Originally posted by XOLiD:

Dude we get it you play this game almost exclusively you don't need to keep weird flexing

I'm 57 and semi-retired, what else do you expect me to do with my spare time? Golf?

Anyway, it seemed an effective argument against 'ground combat still impossible'.

[Sam Willet]

Originally posted by ZeeHero:

You realize I've been playing FPS and action RPG games with guns for over 20 years and I know what I'm doing right?

Although I won't say no to meeting more people to play with.

That's good, but this game is a little different. For a start, the enemies can have the same equipment you do, so they're not target dummies you can just mow down by the dozens.

Stealth works, but only LOS matters when the enemy icons are yellow (alert) or red (actively hunting you). If they spot you in those modes, they'll come after you.

Just hide on top of a roof until they calm down. If you mess up a mission, you can try retreating and calling a taxi, going to supercruise and then redirecting back again - but not if the system defence ships over the base are red, as they'll blow the taxi up when you're aboard.

It takes a ton of missions to figure it all out. Best thing I can recommend is patience.

As for combat, never shoot back at someone when NPCs other than your target can also see you and shoot back. 2 or 3 vs you is lethal.
Always take cover to reload or weapon switch.
Never go toe to toe with an enemy when your shields are down.
Never expose yourself to enemy fire of any kind when your shields are down.
Shoot at enemies when they're reloading or cooking a grenade.
Don't stay in one spot - they communicate and will flank you.
If they spot you on the roof, get moving. They will throw a load of grenades at you.
Some enemies are more dangerous than others. Enforcers have rockets. Sharpshooters can snipe you from miles away, and will one-shot you if your shields are down.

[jimbalayajones]

Originally posted by Sighman:

I'm 57 and semi-retired, what else do you expect me to do with my spare time? Golf?

Anyway, it seemed an effective argument against 'ground combat still impossible'.

517 out of 529...Impressive...I have not delved into the 'ground conflicts' yet...I tried a 'protect the shipment' or some such mission and got my spacesuit rear handed to me...I will hit the ground conflict areas in the future for a new challenge...I have as yet to run into an Omnipol agent or ship...I had a notoriety of 8 once, but I just cooled my jets at a station and let it tick down...Might have seen one I suppose if I would have flown around...Are they as BA as I have read and heard that they are?...

[jimbalayajones]

Originally posted by Sighman:

Originally posted by XOLiD:

Dude we get it you play this game almost exclusively you don't need to keep weird flexing

I'm 57 and semi-retired, what else do you expect me to do with my spare time? Golf?

Anyway, it seemed an effective argument against 'ground combat still impossible'.

You just keep helping and ignore negative feedback...I have almost 8200 hours and you have clued me into many things...Societal manners got lost at some point in time...That is a shame...Your input is wanted and needed...I assume you are as tough shelled as me so crack a beverage of choice and just know you have helped many...

[Sighman]

Originally posted by jimbalayajones:

Originally posted by Sighman:

I'm 57 and semi-retired, what else do you expect me to do with my spare time? Golf?

Anyway, it seemed an effective argument against 'ground combat still impossible'.

You just keep helping and ignore negative feedback...I have almost 8200 hours and you have clued me into many things...Societal manners got lost at some point in time...That is a shame...Your input is wanted and needed...I assume you are as tough shelled as me so crack a beverage of choice and just know you have helped many...

Thanks for that - I enjoy helping people who ask for assistance, but on the other hand I'll always rebut statements I believe to be factually incorrect.

E.g. if someone says they're getting slaughtered in ground combat and does anyone have any survival tips, I'll reply with whatever help I think they can use.

If they say ground combat is literally impossible, that's obviously not the case so I counter with facts.

[Jeebs]

Originally posted by jimbalayajones:

I assume you are as tough shelled as me so crack a beverage of choice and just know you have helped many...

Gen Xers are about as tough shelled as they come, haha... and trying to insult them is likely to leave you crying. Gen X were the kings and queens of the comeback, and believe me when I tell you that most of them are holding back these days to spare your feelings (or to avoid getting banned).

I'm also grateful for Sighman's help because even I occasionally learn something new from him, after almost a decade of playing the game. Plus it's nice to see someone who challenges misinformation, since there's so much of it on the net these days.

[McGargoyle]

Originally posted by Sighman:

Originally posted by ZeeHero:

Never been more frustrated in my life. its unplayable. the only completable ground missions are the ones with NO enemies or maybe 1 normal dude.

High intensity conflicts 216
Medium intensity conflicts 161
Low intensity conflicts 152
Total conflict zones 529

High intensity wins 213
Medium intensity wins 156
Low intensity wins 148

Total wins 517

Stats say otherwise?

I agree.
I've never been good at Medal of Duty: Modern Counter-Ghost or whatever, but:

High intensity conflicts 398
Medium intensity conflicts 327
Low intensity conflicts 227
Total conflict zones 952

High intensity wins 398
Medium intensity wins 323
Low intensity wins 227
Total wins 948

(Since we're bragging )
The 100% rate for High Intensity is because I avoided them until I was really confident.
"Impossible" is different.

[XOLiD]

Originally posted by Jeebs:

I'm also grateful for Sighman's help because even I occasionally learn something new from him, after almost a decade of playing the game. Plus it's nice to see someone who challenges misinformation, since there's so much of it on the net these days.

Stating his high stats because he's been playing for years isn't exactly helpful to the inexperienced, it's just a weird flex.

[McGargoyle]

Originally posted by XOLiD:

Originally posted by Jeebs:

I'm also grateful for Sighman's help because even I occasionally learn something new from him, after almost a decade of playing the game. Plus it's nice to see someone who challenges misinformation, since there's so much of it on the net these days.

Stating his high stats because he's been playing for years isn't exactly helpful to the inexperienced, it's just a weird flex.

Nobody could have fought in Ground Combat Zones before mid 2021, no matter how long you played before that...

Stating "It's impossible!" isn't helpful either. Showing it to be possible on the other hand is.