BGS puzzle

[clif9710]

My faction got into a war with another one. Being the patriotic pilot I am, I jumped in big time and won 8 battles in one evening. Since the other faction is non-player, I figured there would be good news the next tick.

No. Ok, so there must be other cmdrs fighting for the other faction. The score was 0-2 so I put in another couple of battle wins, but expected defeat. Defeat followed.

Now on a BGS defeat, the loser drops in influence and the winner jumps up. It didn't happen, even though my in-cockpit status tab tells me my faction had "total defeat"

I have just gone back to the system and I find the war is still going on. Both factions are at the same influence level and the CZ's are active. How did a total victory for one side (score of 0-3) reported by INARA too, end up with the war going on?

I thought it was supposed to be a best of 7 match. That would mean one side would have to have 4 wins to clinch the victory if the other side has none. The status win-lose bar for my faction has now retracted from total defeat. Very confusing! I suppose I should keep on fighting for all I am worth to try to pull the fat out of the fire.

[the smoking mค็็็็็n]

the updates could be screwing with the BGS, it has happened plenty of times before

[Sighman]

Originally posted by clif9710:

Now on a BGS defeat, the loser drops in influence and the winner jumps up. It didn't happen, even though my in-cockpit status tab tells me my faction had "total defeat"

'total defeat' is a predictor, not the result. If you win the next 4 days in a row you can still do it.

Also bear in mind ground CZ on foot count towards win/lose for the day. If a few commanders are doing ground fights for the side opposing you that will make it hard for you to win.

[clif9710]

Originally posted by Sighman:

'total defeat' is a predictor, not the result. If you win the next 4 days in a row you can still do it.

Also bear in mind ground CZ on foot count towards win/lose for the day. If a few commanders are doing ground fights for the side opposing you that will make it hard for you to win.

Ok, glad to hear that. "total" sounds final. It would be nice to have a breakdown of CZ action and ground action to help a cmdr decide where to go.

[Sighman]

Originally posted by clif9710:

Originally posted by Sighman:

'total defeat' is a predictor, not the result. If you win the next 4 days in a row you can still do it.

Also bear in mind ground CZ on foot count towards win/lose for the day. If a few commanders are doing ground fights for the side opposing you that will make it hard for you to win.

Ok, glad to hear that. "total" sounds final. It would be nice to have a breakdown of CZ action and ground action to help a cmdr decide where to go.

They all count as points for the day. Winning a ground CZ more often than losing it over the course of the entire war means that your side gets to keep that settlement. But winning there each day counteracts 1 space battle.

So if you win 4 space CZ and lose 1, and the other side wins 4 ground CZ, they win that day.

I would say that ground CZ are probably faster than space ones, although I think it's close. Having more people in your group would be a bigger effect, so you can always ask people to come fight for your side. (Of course, this being the internet, if you announce your system publicly you'll get people who come and fight against you just because.)

[Spicy_Satoshi]

Originally posted by Sighman:

I would say that ground CZ are probably faster than space ones, although I think it's close.

What counts is value of bonds. Threat level 3 surface conflicts, they are very profitable and difficult yet one cmdr can easily win them resulting in 6-8 millions cr of bonds! That sum equals doing... 7-9 low intensity space CZ which of course will take more time.

[Sighman]

Originally posted by Spicy_Satoshi:

Originally posted by Sighman:

I would say that ground CZ are probably faster than space ones, although I think it's close.

What counts is value of bonds. Threat level 3 surface conflicts, they are very profitable and difficult yet one cmdr can easily win them resulting in 6-8 millions cr of bonds! That sum equals doing... 7-9 low intensity space CZ which of course will take more time.

The BGS guide mentions Bonds counted for the earlier incarnation, but this changed with chapter four of ED/BGS which is a few years ago now.

According to the recent 2024 edition of the BGS guide (which incorporates those changes):

"Each day is won by the side that won the key lever of most CZs and objectives completed. If there is a tie breaker – i.e., both sides have won the same number of CZs, then all combat related activities that have been handed in are tallied up, and a winner for the day is declared."