Multipurpose ship or specific roles?

[forcecomdr]

Running an AspX atm and trying to decide my next ship. I'm struggling though to decide if i want another multipurpose ship or to get two specific ships.


Do i get a Type 7 for trading and a Vulture for BH?

Or grind the rep and get a Clipper and try to do them both?


Here's the break down as i can see it, but i'd like some opinions.

Clipper:

Pros:

Higher potential max cargo
Decent in combat
Handles well
Probably cheaper then outfitting two ships
No need to change ships
Fun to fly ( i hear)
Much sexier looking

Cons:

Faction grind
Probably not as good in combat as a Vulture
Roughly equal to T7 in cargo if fitted for duel roles.
Shorter jump range
Much more expensive to maintain and replace


Listing the pros/cons for the T7/Vul would be redundant as they're pretty much the opposite of these.

Offhand, i'm not a fan of constantly refitting a ship. It's a pain to refind where i bought that module. I perfer one loadout so bear that in mind.

[forcecomdr]

... I know, that's the reason i made this post hehe.

Was wondering which is better. one ship, which is prob cheaper overall, that can do both decently; or two ships that do each well.

[TiberiuS]

Publicado originalmente por Turd Ferguson:

but an AspX and Clipper are just two different kinds of ships suited for different things...and going from an AspX to a Clipper and running the same sorts of trading (if it's long distance) is likely to end in disapointment. From AspX the Anaconda is really the way to go.

Sure. I would NEVER sell my Asp. But as you say, It's a very different role then a Clipper or T7, which is what OP has asked for.

[Turd Ferguson]

Publicado originalmente por forcecomdr:

... I know, that's the reason i made this post hehe.

Was wondering which is better. one ship, which is prob cheaper overall, that can do both decently; or two ships that do each well.

Nothing fights like a Vulture. Just depends on how much you like fighting.

[TiberiuS]

Publicado originalmente por forcecomdr:

... I know, that's the reason i made this post hehe.

Was wondering which is better. one ship, which is prob cheaper overall, that can do both decently; or two ships that do each well.

Depends really on your preference.
A Vulture is never a bad buy for pure combat. But it sucks really hard when you want to get somewhere. (just wait for 2.2... haha)

As in the difference between a T7 and Clipper, I stated my opinion. If you have the possibility (rank, credits) and you want a trade ship in the T7 range take the Clipper. Everything else would be dumb. Do the comparison in Coriolis.

[forcecomdr]

Well at this point a High rez will net me about as much as trading in an hour. It's obviously more engaging then a trade loop so i tend to do it once i go mind numb from trading. I kinda go back and forth.

[Turd Ferguson]

Publicado originalmente por forcecomdr:

Well at this point a High rez will net me about as much as trading in an hour. It's obviously more engaging then a trade loop so i tend to do it once i go mind numb from trading. I kinda go back and forth.

I personally would rather shoot NPC's than trade any day. I still have my Vulture and switch that with a FAS. Vulture is more for "serious" BH. That thing can sit at a RES all day long and chew up ships. The FAS is more fun but you end up having to go back for repairs because part of the fun of a FAS is ramming...so eventually you're going to do enough damage that you'll want to repair.

[Edelweiss ✿]

Publicado originalmente por Turd Ferguson:

Publicado originalmente por TiberiuS:

You drunk? You outturn a Cobra III in a Clipper... also it has more cargo capacity than a T7, is MUCH faster, MORE jump range actually and is definitely better in combat, has more than double the armor and better shields! But obviously without propper fitting you should stick to hauling stuff at fist, at which it excells over the T7 in EVERY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ aspect. It's really a no brainer if you have the rank for laughable 5MCr more..

A T7 is also "large" and can't land on outposts and a Python is a different price range.

Some build like this for 30MCr (without discounts) makes a trader (232T cargo) NO pirate can catch. Other than a T7.... you can fit a T7 with A spec and it is still a space coffin.
https://coriolis.io/outfit/imperial_clipper/0pitnFflndssnf41e1e1l1l000307070605480302020101.Iw18aQ==.Aw18aQ==

Other than Fed ships, the large imperial ships are the ideal traders, they are not that good at combat actually. You can run from everything and they deliver lots of cargo with a good jump rage compared to the comparable traders.

ok have fun. If you think 12 LY is "good" jump range. scoop. jump. scoop. jump. scoop. jump.

no pirate ever caught my T6 either.

my clipper had 22ly combat fitted

[TiberiuS]

Publicado originalmente por forcecomdr:

Well at this point a High rez will net me about as much as trading in an hour. It's obviously more engaging then a trade loop so i tend to do it once i go mind numb from trading. I kinda go back and forth.

That's pretty much what I did, too. Did a few hauls, also for CGs with the Clipper back then, but did mostly bounty hunt.
Downside is that a propper bounty hunter outfit for the Clipper cost you easily over 100MCr. Especially large shields are ridiculously expensive. Better go with Size 6 or Bi-weave.
But there are definitely better ships for a High or Haz RES.

[Lou the Lou]

Best multipurpose ships, in my opinion, are the Cobra, the Python, and the Anaconda. Cutter might be the best, but I haven't actually flown it (so don't know how well it handles combat), and it's incredibly expensive.

Anything else should be given a role and stuck to that role (i.e. you wouldn't use a Viper or Courier for trading, and you shouldn't go pirate-hunting in an Asp (you can, but there are more effective ships for the price)).

[Fork_Q2]

Publicado originalmente por Lou the Lou:

Best multipurpose ships, in my opinion, are the Cobra, the Python, and the Anaconda.

Anything else should be given a role and stuck to that role

The Asp Explorer would like a word on that!

[Lou the Lou]

Publicado originalmente por Fork_Q2:

Publicado originalmente por Lou the Lou:

Best multipurpose ships, in my opinion, are the Cobra, the Python, and the Anaconda.

Anything else should be given a role and stuck to that role

The Asp Explorer would like a word on that!

Asp is a great ship, and it can handle combat and trading pretty well, but there are better multipurpose ships. The Asp's thrusters do not provide enough thrust to warrant using it as a primary combat ship (it slides WAY too much), and the cargo space leaves something to be desired for short trade runs. It is the best ship for exploring and rare trade runs/smuggling, but not for multipurpose. Good, but not "one of the best".

[Fork_Q2]

Publicado originalmente por Lou the Lou:

Publicado originalmente por Fork_Q2:

The Asp Explorer would like a word on that!

Asp is a great ship, and it can handle combat and trading pretty well, but there are better multipurpose ships.

So... the Cobra (which you gave as an example) is the better long distance trader, smuggler, courier, fighter and explorer? Is the Python the better rare trader?

Glad you agree that the Asp X is a great multipurpose ship. No one ever said it had to be the "best".

[Lou the Lou]

Publicado originalmente por Fork_Q2:

Publicado originalmente por Lou the Lou:

Asp is a great ship, and it can handle combat and trading pretty well, but there are better multipurpose ships.

So... the Cobra (which you gave as an example) is the better long distance trader, smuggler, courier, fighter and explorer? Is the Python the better rare trader?

Glad you agree that the Asp X is a great multipurpose ship. No one ever said it had to be the "best".

Cobra a better fighter? Probably. But it's not in the same category as The Asp, as The Asp is more than 10x as expensive (actually closer to 20x). There is no really good multipurpose in that price range; they're all pretty specialized, or way too generalized (like the Keelback).

The Asp is good at jumping. That leads to it being better at exploring and rare trade runs, and smuggling. Its crappy thrusters make it crappy in combat, which means it's not a great "multipurpose" ship ("multipurpose", in this game, meaning the trifecta of combat, trading, and exploring).

I listed MY "best" multipurpose ships. The Asp is not in that list. Deal.

[Fork_Q2]

Publicado originalmente por Lou the Lou:

Publicado originalmente por Fork_Q2:

So... the Cobra (which you gave as an example) is the better long distance trader, smuggler, courier, fighter and explorer? Is the Python the better rare trader?

Glad you agree that the Asp X is a great multipurpose ship. No one ever said it had to be the "best".

Cobra a better fighter? Probably.

Assuming you are talking about Cobra MkIII here: the Asp Explorer has six hardpoints compared to four, it has four utlity slots compared to two, it has better shields, way more space for reinforcements and SCBs. Better armor and bigger power distributor. About the only thing going for the Cobra is speeds. And no, thrusters alone do not win fights, otherwise the Cobra should be running rings around Corvettes, Vultures and FDLs.

In a fight between the two, I would put better money on the Asp Explorer any day.

The Asp is good at jumping. That leads to it being better at exploring and rare trade runs, and smuggling.

So... multipurpose then?

[Lou the Lou]

Publicado originalmente por Fork_Q2:

So... multipurpose then?

No. A ship has to be good at combat to be multipurpose, as "multipurpose" has a specific meaning in this game, which I already defined for you, in case you missed it. The Asp is not.

And yes, I'd take a Cobra over an Asp any day, for pure combat. The Cobra (yes, III) would have little-to-no trouble taking down an Asp. The Asp simply gets outmaneuvered by the Cobra, and if the Asp uses turrets to make up for its lack of turning capability, chaff comes into play, and the Asp gets shut down again. Of course, this requires that the pilot not suck - which is why some people think the Asp makes a good combat ship: because they're not good enough with the smaller ships to recognize how much better they are than the Asp at combat.

Vulture? No. Vulture handles too well. FDL? Also handles a little too well. Corvette? Pfft. They're called "blind spots".

And yes, maneuverability (i.e. thruster capability) wins fights.

The End.