MINING

[Appleby]

is core mining dead ?

[Heimdall313]

Not at all, no.
Laser mining is generally better, more reliable, but by no means is core mining bad.

[HughJardon]

Originally posted by Appleby:

is core mining dead ?

Most people that do core mining today say that they do it for enjoyment rather than profit!
As above, laser mining for platinum is where the money is in mining, but even that seems pointless when you can make twice as much doing pirate massacre missions.

I used to laser mine in one location. It was so crowded that you couldn't get your fleet carrier anywhere near. I went there yesterday, and there were hardly any FCs there. The mining was the same. On the other hand, anywhere where there are pirate missions is completely mobbed out.

[Hurricane]

Originally posted by HughJardon:

Originally posted by Appleby:

is core mining dead ?

Most people that do core mining today say that they do it for enjoyment rather than profit!
As above, laser mining for platinum is where the money is in mining, but even that seems pointless when you can make twice as much doing pirate massacre missions.

I used to laser mine in one location. It was so crowded that you couldn't get your fleet carrier anywhere near. I went there yesterday, and there were hardly any FCs there. The mining was the same. On the other hand, anywhere where there are pirate missions is completely mobbed out.

Did they fix the pirates mission money? Aren't the pirates engineered?
The one reason I've stopped playing was because I couldn't go through the hassle of engineering.

[Heimdall313]

Originally posted by Hurricane:

Originally posted by HughJardon:

Most people that do core mining today say that they do it for enjoyment rather than profit!
As above, laser mining for platinum is where the money is in mining, but even that seems pointless when you can make twice as much doing pirate massacre missions.

I used to laser mine in one location. It was so crowded that you couldn't get your fleet carrier anywhere near. I went there yesterday, and there were hardly any FCs there. The mining was the same. On the other hand, anywhere where there are pirate missions is completely mobbed out.

Did they fix the pirates mission money? Aren't the pirates engineered?
The one reason I've stopped playing was because I couldn't go through the hassle of engineering.

its not that bad, just take it slow, and one piece at a time. FSD is generally the first thing people do, with a DBX, ASPX, or Phantom. Those are hugely helpful ships to unlock all the other engineers and get materials.

[BatWingSix]

Originally posted by Hurricane:

Originally posted by HughJardon:

Most people that do core mining today say that they do it for enjoyment rather than profit!
As above, laser mining for platinum is where the money is in mining, but even that seems pointless when you can make twice as much doing pirate massacre missions.

I used to laser mine in one location. It was so crowded that you couldn't get your fleet carrier anywhere near. I went there yesterday, and there were hardly any FCs there. The mining was the same. On the other hand, anywhere where there are pirate missions is completely mobbed out.

Did they fix the pirates mission money? Aren't the pirates engineered?
The one reason I've stopped playing was because I couldn't go through the hassle of engineering.

You really dont need engineering unless you are trying to compete with yourself or do ship pvp (which you would need much more than engineering). I have been playing since 2018 / 2019 and still dont have a fully engineered ship (didnt even start engineering until late 2020 and it has only been bit by bit).

[Yuki]

Originally posted by HughJardon:

Most people that do core mining today say that they do it for enjoyment rather than profit!

Signed on that.

Originally posted by HughJardon:

As above, laser mining for platinum is where the money is in mining, but even that seems pointless when you can make twice as much doing pirate massacre missions.

I wish you would but its more the other way around. Even with the metal prices on such a low as they are right now it outpaces everything else by far.
Also pirates aint engineered, those goons in the conflict zones are. Thus pirates are generally more soft while at the same time they come equipped with more bounty too.

You can for fun of course combine both. Mine in a high rez like a boss :D

[Flint Sky]

I used to love core mining for Opals and LTD's, but when FDev nurfed it for "economy" reasons it became no longer worth it. To make lots of credits and sort of relax while doing it seemed like a pleasure to me. Even when I had to "run for it" to stay away from NPC pirates to get to where I could sell what I'd mined. Now you can run 50M credit "one hop" missions all day long. I still miss core mining.

[HughJardon]

Originally posted by Hurricane:

Originally posted by HughJardon:

Most people that do core mining today say that they do it for enjoyment rather than profit!
As above, laser mining for platinum is where the money is in mining, but even that seems pointless when you can make twice as much doing pirate massacre missions.

I used to laser mine in one location. It was so crowded that you couldn't get your fleet carrier anywhere near. I went there yesterday, and there were hardly any FCs there. The mining was the same. On the other hand, anywhere where there are pirate missions is completely mobbed out.

Did they fix the pirates mission money? Aren't the pirates engineered?
The one reason I've stopped playing was because I couldn't go through the hassle of engineering.

Nothing has been "fixed" in pirate massacre missions. They're the same as always.

The pirates use the same ships as you'll find anywhere, i.e. no special engineering. If you suck at combat, you should look for missions that give you a target system with a low RES, where the pirates are all low rank and hardly fight back. Go to the station in Ngalinn in a Vulture if that's what you want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQcJ-9jVao&t=369s

[HughJardon]

Originally posted by Yuki:

Originally posted by HughJardon:

Most people that do core mining today say that they do it for enjoyment rather than profit!

Signed on that.

Originally posted by HughJardon:

As above, laser mining for platinum is where the money is in mining, but even that seems pointless when you can make twice as much doing pirate massacre missions.

I wish you would but its more the other way around. Even with the metal prices on such a low as they are right now it outpaces everything else by far.
Also pirates aint engineered, those goons in the conflict zones are. Thus pirates are generally more soft while at the same time they come equipped with more bounty too.

You can for fun of course combine both. Mine in a high rez like a boss :D

I'm not sure what you mean, but no mining can get close to the money you can make from pirate massacre missions without cheating or using exploits. Map mining for platinum has the highest earnings rate of about 150 mil per hour overall, compared with 200 mil for pirates, though pirates require a bit of activity to stack the missions when not playing, so you could say around 150 mil per hour if you want to be pedantic.

[Yuki]

Sure...

Get a dozen 30M + missions. From DIFFERENT factions.
Kill all those about 60 pirates.
Get at least 200k per pirate as bounty.
Bring all those missions back. Cash in.
With what you just said- all within 30 minutes.
Thats what would be necessary.

"But im not counting preparations or flying to the target system/location!"
Okay, then i have to go ahead and just count 4 jumps to the selling station and skip on filling the cargo in the belt. Thats 5 minutes for 145M. So by your standards the comparison value of paltinum mining would be 1.74 billion an hour.

More seriously: Even to just catch up with actual platinum mining that example above would still need to be be within a bit over two hours.
With usually at least 30 minutes for mission gathering alone and another 20 to cash them in. Then kill all pirates in about 60 minutes. And again that is just to break even.
Yea, show me how you do that.

And go low res and you are far away from that bounty target, let alone just getting enough pirates to spawn to come anywhere close to 60s/kill.

I would wish it would give that much, but it certainly doesnt. And i take the whole time investment, not just the pure fight (or pure belt time) into account. "But i prepared days for this one hour of fighting!"- ye, and what did you do in between? Fly courier missions between small outposts to gather the missions? While even then its still difficult to beat plat mining.

Let alone the other preparation work. You certainly would want to be big friends with a dozen different factions all around your huntig grounds to even get access to those missions. While for mining you just grab your ship and go for it, done.

Yes im hunting as well, but merely for fun, to level my ranks to max and to level my NPC pilot. (Try the herculis connection for fed through fighting for instance!)
And as such i tell you: Dont mislead people. Its fun, but far from able to "beat" mining or trading in credits per hour.
Claims of being more profitable than mining are just a hoax that some haters keep alive. Simple elementary school math tells everyone with two brain cells it is not.

I see a lot of newbs claiming over and over again fighting to be the holy grail of money making. "Im doin 600M an hour!".
And then i watch them, and they indeed do 300m- a run, and a run often takes them 6+ hours overall. *slowclap*
6 hours plat mining in a Cutter including selling at best price (so one docking and an average of 8 jumps, 4 towards, 4 back) is easily ~900M thereby. Flat. No RNG. No mission sharing. (Although trade dividents can make a good addon here too, not even counting these!).
Even more if you got a neat carrier in system and skip on those few minutes, but again thats probably counting on other people if you dont have your own. And we are in a help thread here, chances are high thats certainly not the case. So the 900M are a bare minimum no strings attached no preparation necessary value (except for the obvious "have a ship to do it" of course)..
And its about 700M for a T9, about the same you can get in a Python at Robigo btw- while we are talking about quick money already.

If you take a look at not just youtube clickbait but proper guides (try reddit) you will quickly realize: The 60M they often state is way more realistic, some more recent ones even go lower, though they also skip on that hour of proper preparation or raising all minors around the target system to ally status (which can quickly be done if you like exploring ;) - thats what i usually use my expedition data on)
Personally i calculate up to 80 (for pirate, i also like to do some faction CZ though and thats even lower). But i also got several fully engineered combat vessels of different size and color and several systems where i have dozens of allied factions around too...

TLDR: Platinum mining easily and continiously still makes ~2-2.5 times as much as fighting. Sadly, because yes- fighting is more fun. Though mining is still fun imho, every now and then, and better here than in some other games (looking at you eve online o_o)

The only way you can - barely - beat platinum mining is with a full well equipped wing and cheesy mission sharing. As well as proper coordinated fights, that alone requires some training of those very same people. But hey, did you know that ED has "healers" now? :D

[HughJardon]

Originally posted by Yuki:

Sure...

Get a dozen 30M + missions. From DIFFERENT factions.
Kill all those about 60 pirates.
Get at least 200k per pirate as bounty.
Bring all those missions back. Cash in.
With what you just said- all within 30 minutes.
Thats what would be necessary.

"But im not counting preparations or flying to the target system/location!"
Okay, then i have to go ahead and just count 4 jumps to the selling station and skip on filling the cargo in the belt. Thats 5 minutes for 145M. So by your standards the comparison value of paltinum mining would be 1.74 billion an hour.

More seriously: Even to just catch up with actual platinum mining that example above would still need to be be within a bit over two hours.
With usually at least 30 minutes for mission gathering alone and another 20 to cash them in. Then kill all pirates in about 60 minutes. And again that is just to break even.
Yea, show me how you do that.

And go low res and you are far away from that bounty target, let alone just getting enough pirates to spawn to come anywhere close to 60s/kill.

I would wish it would give that much, but it certainly doesnt. And i take the whole time investment, not just the pure fight (or pure belt time) into account. "But i prepared days for this one hour of fighting!"- ye, and what did you do in between? Fly courier missions between small outposts to gather the missions? While even then its still difficult to beat plat mining.

Let alone the other preparation work. You certainly would want to be big friends with a dozen different factions all around your huntig grounds to even get access to those missions. While for mining you just grab your ship and go for it, done.

Yes im hunting as well, but merely for fun, to level my ranks to max and to level my NPC pilot. (Try the herculis connection for fed through fighting for instance!)
And as such i tell you: Dont mislead people. Its fun, but far from able to "beat" mining or trading in credits per hour.
Claims of being more profitable than mining are just a hoax that some haters keep alive. Simple elementary school math tells everyone with two brain cells it is not.

I see a lot of newbs claiming over and over again fighting to be the holy grail of money making. "Im doin 600M an hour!".
And then i watch them, and they indeed do 300m- a run, and a run often takes them 6+ hours overall. *slowclap*
6 hours plat mining in a Cutter including selling at best price (so one docking and an average of 8 jumps, 4 towards, 4 back) is easily ~900M thereby. Flat. No RNG. No mission sharing. (Although trade dividents can make a good addon here too, not even counting these!).
Even more if you got a neat carrier in system and skip on those few minutes, but again thats probably counting on other people if you dont have your own. And we are in a help thread here, chances are high thats certainly not the case. So the 900M are a bare minimum no strings attached no preparation necessary value (except for the obvious "have a ship to do it" of course)..
And its about 700M for a T9, about the same you can get in a Python at Robigo btw- while we are talking about quick money already.

If you take a look at not just youtube clickbait but proper guides (try reddit) you will quickly realize: The 60M they often state is way more realistic, some more recent ones even go lower, though they also skip on that hour of proper preparation or raising all minors around the target system to ally status (which can quickly be done if you like exploring ;) - thats what i usually use my expedition data on)
Personally i calculate up to 80 (for pirate, i also like to do some faction CZ though and thats even lower). But i also got several fully engineered combat vessels of different size and color and several systems where i have dozens of allied factions around too...

TLDR: Platinum mining easily and continiously still makes ~2-2.5 times as much as fighting. Sadly, because yes- fighting is more fun. Though mining is still fun imho, every now and then, and better here than in some other games (looking at you eve online o_o)

The only way you can - barely - beat platinum mining is with a full well equipped wing and cheesy mission sharing. As well as proper coordinated fights, that alone requires some training of those very same people. But hey, did you know that ED has "healers" now? :D

I'm nit to sure what you're saying. I gave you accurate overall figures that include all time for the activity, though you can stack pirate missions while not playing.

How you count that time is up to you, but any player can make 200 mil/hr doing stacked pirate massacre missions after a short time repping up.

A very experienced miner, like me, (bear in mind that I'm no.3 on Inara last time I looked with 284,592 tons) can fill a Cutter in about an hour. That's 512T. there are quicker ways, but they involve a lot of preparation, and if you include that time in the total, it's not quicker than normal laser mining unless you're going to do it for very many hours. 512T gets you about 140 mil, but when you add the time to fly to and from a carrier, and the time to take it from the carrier to sell it, the rate comes down to between 100 and 120 mil per hour.

I'm also in the top 10 bounty farmers, so I know a lot about that too. The massacre missions pay 41 mil for 30 pirates. You can get maybe 10 per run which makes 400 mil, plus another 10 missions worth 200 mil, which gives 600 mil per run plus about 100 mil bounty money when you use PP bonuses and a KWS, so 700 mil per run, which takes 3 hours to complete 120 pirates from each faction. When you include the time for flying back and forward to where the pirates, the overall rate is about 200 mil/hr, but as I said before, that doesn't include the time for stacking the missions off-line.

In summary, it's about 100 mil/hr from platinum mining vs 200mil/hr from pirate missions.

Both require a lot of experience and fully-optimised ships to reach those rates.

The pirate massacre missions can be done with another player, which gives you about another 100 - 150 mil per trip for about 10 minutes sharing and cashing in the wing missions.