Dogfighting games

[Enialis]

With almost all of the PVP locked behind a grind and now odyssey taking the focus off the ships completely in some ways, what are some games with similar multiplayer dogfighting? Doesnt have to be populated i dont mind using discord to schedule fights, just something that I can jump into for combat and piloting were the gameplay isnt locked behind rpg mechanics like in ED/SC and that isnt an arcade game like squadrons. i think at this point ive already gone over and found out about every single flight/space sim from the dos era onwards, does anyone know of any active dogfighting communites for any of these games?

[Koopa]

Not sure, how the community is now, but a few years ago there was infinity battlescape

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Frame challenge, the PVP actually worth looking for isn't locked behind a grind at all.

Get yourself a Viper, a Vulture or a Cobra and dive right in, no engineering, no regrets.

And regarding the original question in OP, you'll find it is pretty hard these days finding something that isn't either locked behind a grind wall, P2W wall, or worst case both.

Without being a full-blown simulation that is, and the glory days of those are long gone anyway.

[Agony_Aunt]

Have you tried CQC? At least there the combat is somewhat balanced.

[JL::Jose-Juan Kenobi]

Star Wars Squadrons?

[Sighman]

Or you could get a few people together in identical ships (e.g. sidewinders or eagles), specify max a-rated components but no engineering, and go for it.

[Agony_Aunt]

Originally posted by Sighman:

Or you could get a few people together in identical ships (e.g. sidewinders or eagles), specify max a-rated components but no engineering, and go for it.

There used to be a fight club of sorts. Stock sidewinders only.

Also, if you join the San Tu guys, forget the name, but its basically PvPers who want fights with other PvPers you can organize them. They usually are up for anything from stock ships, to same class ships (they have certain rules, like they treat the Vulture as a medium) or just bring whatever you want to the fight.

Decent guys most of them, spent some months on their discord helping them out with their BGS.

[Planewalker]

Originally posted by Agony_Aunt:

There used to be a fight club of sorts. Stock sidewinders only.

Still running. =)

Originally posted by Enialis:

With almost all of the PVP locked behind a grind

That is extremely subjective, bc it wholly depends on whether you're talking anti/ganking, or coordinated PVP tournaments, and the stock sidewinder runs are still a thing.

cheers

[Enialis]

To be clear i want dogfighting in teams/FFA or duels, the whole mmo style pvp is the turn off that keeps me from playing. Im not interested in ganking or anti ganking or really any of the MMO parts of these games. I dont mind if theres progression like in older space sims, but the only thing that keeps me from playing elite more is that it feels like an mmo instead of a space sim most of the time and i've grinded so many mmos in the past that i want nothing to do with that stuff.

To me everything in this game besides the combat feels like an an arbitrary grind put in place to balance MMO games, none of it feels like im taking part in a simulation like in classic space sims or even newer ones that arent multiplayer.

A modern space sim without the mmo feels would be perfect. But im mostly interested in 6dof "newtonian" dogfighting in general so any game with an active dueling community would be fine. I know communities exit like that in elite but im still interested in finding other communities in other games.

Hunternet Starfighter (http://www.cpudreams.com/) has what im looking for, you can get a key to the alpha through there discord if you mention your want to test the 6dof dogfighting even though its technically a closed alpha. It perfect for what im talking about its just extremely new and hasnt built a community yet, but something along the lines of that games but with a mature community would be great.

Evochron was the other game i hadnt tried but it seemed like it delved into 4x style gameplay like the X series and thats not what i want, but it looks like the flying mechanics are if anyone know more.

[Planewalker]

CQC