Elite Dangerous

Elite Dangerous

Ziyor Dec 16, 2018 @ 3:18pm
"Advanced Combat Training" Brutal
Is it just me or is this combat tutorial super unexplained and brutal? It is impossible to stay behind him and he tore through my shields in 2 passes where I hadn't cracked the first one. I'm just gonna hope I don't have to deal with anything that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in game.
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As far as "tutorial" goes, yes the advanced combat is kinda brutal.
semidomestic Dec 16, 2018 @ 4:48pm 
If you're an advanced combat pilot, the training sim is a breeze. The advanced combat training wasn't meant to be conquered on your first day. As AI pilots rank up, so does their skill and ship... just like you. The best way to beat it is to come back to it after a lot of practice.
Wraith Dec 16, 2018 @ 5:43pm 
My advice is to do the "Basic Combat" tutorial 3-4 times till you can finish it comfortably without taking any hull damage.

At that point play the game itself - don't focus on the Advanced Combat Training tutorial. Come back to it after you have 30-40 hours. You need lots of muscle memory for the flight controls prior to being able to focus your brain on multiple targets in a scenario like that.
tomg2012 Dec 16, 2018 @ 5:46pm 
What does it each you exactly if you have to practice first?
Kittenpox Dec 16, 2018 @ 5:54pm 
Suggestion: Skip the combat tutorials. Do some space-trucking, and get a feel for flying first.
Was the Advanced one the one were you fought 10 waves of enemies in a Sidewinder and as final boss you got an Anaconda?
Arya Dec 16, 2018 @ 6:51pm 
Originally posted by Kittenpox:
Suggestion: Skip the combat tutorials. Do some space-trucking, and get a feel for flying first.

I respectfully disagree. As a combat pilot, I'd recommend OP re-do the tutorial a couple of times until they're familiar and then buy some guns and try it for real. Space truckers often struggle as combat pilots, they'll build up money and try to start with something expensive. And so miss all the vital lessons you learn flying Eagles and Vipers.

It's brutal, but that's no reason to shy away. Taking these painful lessons to heart will make you a better combat pilot; try to analyze why you're struggling. Find the weakpoints and change your tactics - as a repeatable scenario this tut is perfect for trying new things.

OP, the most important thing in Advanced Combat is power management. You'll notice you have three little vertical bars, labeled SYS, ENG and WEP. That's your power distributor, and it's vitally important that you use it.

Below each bar you have two dots. That represents how much power is going to each system. You can move these around with the D-Pad or arrowkeys, and strengthen or weaken each system as you need it.

Extra power to Engines makes you fast and more agile. Extra power to Weapons gives you more laser energy. Extra power to shields massively reduces incoming damage, making your shields survive longer. A good combat pilot is constantly shunting power around as needed.

Try putting all power into shields when you're in the firing line, this will mitigate most of the damage. Then put power into engines and get yourself into a Dominant Position - you don't need to be behind them, you just need to be away from their line of fire. These are Eagles, you won't easily get behind them. Once you're there, put everything into weapons and blast the target for as long as you can. If they boost-turn and face you, shields up. If they try to shake you with a turn, power-up your engines and pursue.
Originally posted by Fluffy Bunny of Despair:
Was the Advanced one the one were you fought 10 waves of enemies in a Sidewinder and as final boss you got an Anaconda?
It was. But the last time I tried it 2 months ago, it ended just after a second wave, 2 ships. And there I was saving my missiles...
Last edited by Dolphin Bottlenose; Dec 16, 2018 @ 7:17pm
Arya Dec 16, 2018 @ 8:17pm 
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
It was. But the last time I tried it 2 months ago, it ended just after a second wave, 2 ships. And there I was saving my missiles...

I tried it a week ago, and it's just two basic Eagles. It's rough for a new player, but any vet should get it on the first try without losing shields.
Darth Invictus Dec 16, 2018 @ 9:04pm 
the biggest problem is that you are given the single worst ship in the entire game and expected to over come a scenario that would be extremely challenging even for a fully engineered and A rated fully outfitted Anaconda .

so basically it's fedev's nod to star treks no win scenario .
Originally posted by Maltor Sever:
a scenario that would be extremely challenging even for a fully engineered and A rated fully outfitted Anaconda .
Against two eagles?! I respectfully disagree - they are not railgun eagles.
Last edited by Dolphin Bottlenose; Dec 16, 2018 @ 9:07pm
Arya Dec 16, 2018 @ 9:13pm 
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
Originally posted by Maltor Sever:
a scenario that would be extremely challenging even for a fully engineered and A rated fully outfitted Anaconda .
Against two eagles?! I respectfully disagree - they are not railgun eagles.

As do I. It's actually a fun scenario IMO - it's nicely balanced.

They're only, what, Competant?
PlutonArioch Dec 16, 2018 @ 9:14pm 
Its pretty easy, but you need to be competent at flying your ship first. If you dont know how to properly maneuver, how to turn fast, how to distribute your power, or how to read your radar, you could be outmaneuvered while trying to figure it out. Thats what the tutorials before this one are for. Other than that, just do what you are told (hint: chaff makes it trivial, and you are told to use it), and kill your enemies.

Originally posted by Ziyor:
It is impossible to stay behind him...
Before you say something is impossible, make sure you know what you are talking about.

A year ago some new players had issues with this tutorial as well, so I went and did it. You can watch my first try here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqmp0d2mhMA
Maybe you will learn something.
When I was new to the game, the "Advanced Combat Training" was what is now the "Incursion" in the challenge scenario section, so it was actually my first time doing this one. It is a lot easier now, and a lot less "Advanced". I guess its still difficult for someone who is still learning how to fly, but it should be a breeze for someone who has the basic controls down.

PS: Remember this is called "Advanced Combat Training" not "how to fly your ship for Rookies". Also, you dont need to finish it before starting the game, but if you want to get into combat, you should at least revisit it, once you had some practice piloting your ship. If you want to survive any real fight, you should be able to do this training with ease.
DDRMANIAC007 Dec 16, 2018 @ 9:14pm 
Originally posted by Maltor Sever:
the biggest problem is that you are given the single worst ship in the entire game and expected to over come a scenario that would be extremely challenging even for a fully engineered and A rated fully outfitted Anaconda .

so basically it's fedev's nod to star treks no win scenario .
Challenging and fully engineered do not belong in the same sentence when it comes to PVE.
Originally posted by ℜ | DDRMANIAC007:
Challenging and fully engineered do not belong in the same sentence when it comes to PVE.
I disagree. To have your ship fully engineered is challenging even in PvE! :)
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