Flight Assist Off. I just can't beat the wobble.

[Ligma Male]

How do I get control of the ship? I saw several times on forums, that it is a considerable improvement doing combat.

But MORE than that, I want to experience a more appropriate flight model that would simulate real space traversal of vacuum of space. I would also say that, with flight assist it feels a bit too much like arcady games of WWII dogfights.

However, the ship just wobbles side to side and I can't figure out why. I reduced the "yaw into rall" intensity, and also selected on "low on roll. This reduced the intensity of ship wobbling all over the place, but it didn't stop it.

How do you actually control it?

I also don't really get how to switch directions that much. It seems like the key is using "R" and "F" keys to control the y-axis of your ship when you are trying to transition to new direction, but they are so weak. (I am in Cobra MKII).

So far I've been practicing in Asteroid fields to fly like this, and it is super damn hard.

P.S

I am using basic ♥♥♥♥♥ keyboard and mouse. I will get X52 hotas maybe, once I get the discounts on DCS planes :D

[Vahnkiljoy]

Practice

[Drimacus]

You boost , you turn FA off, u aim to your target and thats how you win! :D remember to use your pips!

[Ligma Male]

Originally posted by Brother Selarroc:

You boost , you turn FA off, u aim to your target and thats how you win! :D remember to use your pips!

btw, why the hell do you lose velocity from the boost, when FA is off? Is it just the balancing thing to prevent people from accelerating above the ship speed values fixed by the game?

This preventative mechanic really drops the immersive factor in the otherwise interesting simulation of space traversal.

[morgoth13]

I turned FA for the first time in a long time the other day. A bit awkward but I managed some basic navigation. Then I got too close to a star and forgot it was off, so I ended up boosting in the wrong direction trying to get away. I quickly realized what happened, oriented to the escape vector, and proceeded to spend well over a minute completely unable to get my direction of travel to align with the direction I needed to go. You would think that max throttle and repeated boosting would push you in the direction you are aiming after at most 10-15 seconds but no, it takes a looooong time unless you actively counter your momentum.

I eventually got away(barely) but learned that I've still got some learning to do before I can fly that way regularly. Aiming isn't too bad, velocity is a bear.

[Dolphin Bottlenose]

Flight Assist Off is not easy. You control it gently by applying a counterforce to the direction that you want your ship to stop flying to. Welcome to the more appropriate flight model that simulates real space traversal of vacuum of space. ;)

Or you can briefly disable it to help your ship with a maneuver, then reenable it to stabilise your ship.

[dave46563]

I turn FA off to relax and watch the stars. Beyond that, I'm completely lost lol.

[Dolphin Bottlenose]

Originally posted by dave46563:

I turn FA off to relax and watch the stars. Beyond that, I'm completely lost lol.

I used the FA Off while trying to take a closer look at those cosmic mushrooms and pods in space anomalies. They always turn/rotate towards you, so it was actually easier to counteract that movement with FA Off.

[Kosevich]

Some interesting game play with flight assist off:
https://youtu.be/8fhNtkxow-Y

[dave46563]

Originally posted by Kosevich:

Some interesting game play with flight assist off:
https://youtu.be/8fhNtkxow-Y

Holy Batpoo! Now that is sweet.

[Drimacus]

Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:

Flight Assist Off is not easy. You control it gently by applying a counterforce to the direction that you want your ship to stop flying to. Welcome to the more appropriate flight model that simulates real space traversal of vacuum of space. ;)

Or you can briefly disable it to help your ship with a maneuver, then reenable it to stabilise your ship.

What he said, its just a temporary thing for combat while you are boosting so you can flip your ship to fight lets say an eagle who is much faster than you using a brick ship and you just need to face it once and shoot at it with your 4 multi cannons and get rid of him, so u boost, disable FA, flip to face the enemy and kill it and so on.

Maybe thats more likely you traverse the vacuum of space flight, i donno

[MyProfile]

The truth of the matter is simply that mouse and keyboard are gimped intentionally because they are superior to HOTAS in every way if they were not. <<< F A Off

There are ways to get around it but in my opinion its really not worth it.

[Ligma Male]

Originally posted by MyProfile:

The truth of the matter is simply that mouse and keyboard are gimped intentionally because they are superior to HOTAS in every way if they were not. <<< F A Off

There are ways to get around it but in my opinion its really not worth it.

Really?
I usually see people saying the opposite. Ever since stuff like Battlefield Bad Company helicopter controls which were supposedly really hardcore and required gamepad or hotas.

Also, in aircraft simulators no one really praises the keyboard/mouse controls either. It is Hotas or gtfo for DCS World for example (arguably the best military plane sim).

The only reason I don't have it, is because I want to buy a good one, and the good one costs hundreds of dollars. And I just got into flight sims recently.

[Drimacus]

Originally posted by HEATHEN:

Originally posted by MyProfile:

The truth of the matter is simply that mouse and keyboard are gimped intentionally because they are superior to HOTAS in every way if they were not. <<< F A Off

There are ways to get around it but in my opinion its really not worth it.

Really?
I usually see people saying the opposite. Ever since stuff like Battlefield Bad Company helicopter controls which were supposedly really hardcore and required gamepad or hotas.

Also, in aircraft simulators no one really praises the keyboard/mouse controls either. It is Hotas or gtfo for DCS World for example (arguably the best military plane sim).

The only reason I don't have it, is because I want to buy a good one, and the good one costs hundreds of dollars. And I just got into flight sims recently.

Then maybe Elite is not the game for you. But still you have to try and invest some hours into it to find out if it suits you or if you find any ship for your playstyle.

[Ligma Male]

Originally posted by Brother Selarroc:

Originally posted by HEATHEN:

Really?
I usually see people saying the opposite. Ever since stuff like Battlefield Bad Company helicopter controls which were supposedly really hardcore and required gamepad or hotas.

Also, in aircraft simulators no one really praises the keyboard/mouse controls either. It is Hotas or gtfo for DCS World for example (arguably the best military plane sim).

The only reason I don't have it, is because I want to buy a good one, and the good one costs hundreds of dollars. And I just got into flight sims recently.

Then maybe Elite is not the game for you. But still you have to try and invest some hours into it to find out if it suits you or if you find any ship for your playstyle.

Do you use the kb+mouse setting or the kb+mouse+yaw?
Hardest part about these games for me, the daunting task of messing with controls while not fully understanding what each feature means lol...

I am also kind of confused whether it is the settings that are screwing me over, or the wrong expectations of flying Cobra MKII. It doesn't feel responsive enough for a small ship.

[Drimacus]

I do use mouse and keyboard and so do many of my in game friends, i do have a hotas, and i did tried it and i dont like it, this game is good but not that good for a hotas.