two joy sticks?

[haxo]

Hello! I've never owned or used a joystick before, so forgive my ignorance. I've been looking at Amazon for black friday deals and I was just wondering, what's the benefit of having two joysticks in a game like Star Citizen/Elite Dangerous vs. a HOTAS (joystick and thruster)?

I was planning on getting this for HOTAS:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA

But then I saw that the joystick alone is $40, and if I get two of them they'd still be cheaper than HOTAS above:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-2960773-T16000M-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW

[Mu77ley]

Two joysticks allow you to potentially control all 6DoF with your hands alone (if the sticks support twist for yaw). You'd still need a way to control the throttle however.

I've not actually tried using the dual stick method myself as I have a nice analogue thumbstick on my throttle I can use for lateral and vertical thrust control.

[76561198335825264]

I use dual sticks, logitech 3d pro on the right and t160000 on the left. Great way to fly.

[haxo]

Originally posted by Algomatic NaCl:

I use dual sticks, logitech 3d pro on the right and t160000 on the left. Great way to fly.

Thank you both for the replies!

When using dual sticks, how do you handle the constant readjusting of throttle speed while fighting?

[Leigh]

Dual sticks on my M$ controller. :P

[76561198335825264]

Originally posted by haxo:

Originally posted by Algomatic NaCl:

I use dual sticks, logitech 3d pro on the right and t160000 on the left. Great way to fly.

Thank you both for the replies!

When using dual sticks, how do you handle the constant readjusting of throttle speed while fighting?

I fly FA OFF which makes majority of the speed rely on boost and boost bleeding.
I dont have a fixed position like with hotas (25%, 50% etc), so you always have to apply preasure on the left stick (y axis is my acceleration axis).

Basically, when the stick is rest (center), the speed is 0.

[Fonsoite]

Originally posted by haxo:

When using dual sticks, how do you handle the constant readjusting of throttle speed while fighting?

chances are you will be controlling throtte with a left stick twist instead
i have that hotas with pedals and I dont think there is enough buttons on joystick for dual setup

[76561198335825264]

Originally posted by Fonsoite:

Originally posted by haxo:

When using dual sticks, how do you handle the constant readjusting of throttle speed while fighting?

chances are you will be controlling throtte with a left stick twist instead
i have that hotas with pedals and I dont think there is enough buttons on joystick for dual setup

There are more than enough buttons, even without using the ones that require you to move your hand away from the stick.

[Galon007]

Originally posted by haxo:

Hello! I've never owned or used a joystick before, so forgive my ignorance. I've been looking at Amazon for black friday deals and I was just wondering, what's the benefit of having two joysticks in a game like Star Citizen/Elite Dangerous vs. a HOTAS (joystick and thruster)?

I was planning on getting this for HOTAS:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA

But then I saw that the joystick alone is $40, and if I get two of them they'd still be cheaper than HOTAS above:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-2960773-T16000M-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW

I dont know your buget but i use this stick like 4 years.https://www.logitechg.com/en-gb/products/space/x52-space-flight-simulator-controller.html
I use this stick even for DCS World and it works fine even after 4 years.
Here is better version of that stick
https://www.logitechg.com/en-gb/products/space/x56-space-flight-vr-simulator-controller.html

[haxo]

Originally posted by Algomatic NaCl:

Originally posted by haxo:

Thank you both for the replies!

When using dual sticks, how do you handle the constant readjusting of throttle speed while fighting?

I fly FA OFF which makes majority of the speed rely on boost and boost bleeding.
I dont have a fixed position like with hotas (25%, 50% etc), so you always have to apply preasure on the left stick (y axis is my acceleration axis).

Basically, when the stick is rest (center), the speed is 0.

so you're using the 2nd joystick as the throttle, and having it's trigger control a 2nd firing group I'm assuming?

[Sony]

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gladiator-pro-mk-ii u could actually buy 2 of those Babys ...

They are expensive for Sure ... but i really think theyre a worth it ...

After having an

Driving Force GT (Logitech)
G25 (Logitech)
G27 (Logitech)
Cyborg 3D (Saitek)

I stopped buying Plastic (Specially for that high amount of money)

u wont even have problems with the Throttle ... as there is one at the Joystick

[76561198335825264]

Originally posted by haxo:

Originally posted by Algomatic NaCl:

I fly FA OFF which makes majority of the speed rely on boost and boost bleeding.
I dont have a fixed position like with hotas (25%, 50% etc), so you always have to apply preasure on the left stick (y axis is my acceleration axis).

Basically, when the stick is rest (center), the speed is 0.

so you're using the 2nd joystick as the throttle, and having it's trigger control a 2nd firing group I'm assuming?

I dont use the mini throttle control on any of my sticks.
I binded the Y axis on the left stick (forward/backward) as full throttle.

Its main trigger (it has only one actually) I binded to boost.

[haxo]

Originally posted by Algomatic NaCl:

Originally posted by haxo:

so you're using the 2nd joystick as the throttle, and having it's trigger control a 2nd firing group I'm assuming?

I dont use the mini throttle control on any of my sticks.
I binded the Y axis on the left stick (forward/backward) as full throttle.

Its main trigger (it has only one actually) I binded to boost.

so what's the X axis doing?

[76561198335825264]

Originally posted by haxo:

Originally posted by Algomatic NaCl:

I dont use the mini throttle control on any of my sticks.
I binded the Y axis on the left stick (forward/backward) as full throttle.

Its main trigger (it has only one actually) I binded to boost.

so what's the X axis doing?

X axis left side is laterals, right side is roll

[Leigh]

Personally, for Star Citizen I find dual sticks much nicer than HOTAS alone, but for whatever reason in Elite Dangerous I'm happy with just the x52.

Maybe if you really, really needed every inch of advantage in combat go dual sticks, for agile craft like the FDL I can imagine it would be a very potent combination.

I think ED isn't as "twitchy" as SCs ever changing flight model, which has its good and bad points. Also, honestly, I feel ED just has the better control system, although it may be a bit more forgiving too.

I would try just a HOTAS at first (yes, HOTAS, not a single stick, you will want the buttons), if it doesn't click with you, grab something like a t16000m for the offhand. I'm happy with mine.

[haxo]

Originally posted by lei07:

Personally, for Star Citizen I find dual sticks much nicer than HOTAS alone, but for whatever reason in Elite Dangerous I'm happy with just the x52.

Maybe if you really, really needed every inch of advantage in combat go dual sticks, for agile craft like the FDL I can imagine it would be a very potent combination.

I think ED isn't as "twitchy" as SCs ever changing flight model, which has its good and bad points. Also, honestly, I feel ED just has the better control system, although it may be a bit more forgiving too.

I would try just a HOTAS at first (yes, HOTAS, not a single stick, you will want the buttons), if it doesn't click with you, grab something like a t16000m for the offhand. I'm happy with mine.

so what's your 2nd joystick's functions tied to in star citizen? like it helps with doing barrel rolls or something? or are you using it as a thruster function