Elite Dangerous

Elite Dangerous

clif9710 Nov 20, 2019 @ 11:10pm
confused about system discovery
I went to a star system I have not visited, one of the first outside of the safe zone I started in where the systems are known ahead of visiting them.

I started fooling with the FSS and got the hang of it, but it raises the question - do I have to discover all systems for myself using this process? I know the galaxy map shows stars, but to know what is there (planets, stations, etc.) is my choice 1) go there and use the FSS or 2) buy the information with cr if it is available?

What determines if the info is available for purchase? Does the cartography company buy it from explorers and then sell it?
Originally posted by 711:
To sum it all up:

If you enter a system for the first time, you will be notified that you discovered the main star. This does not mean that you are the first that has discovered that star, it just means that YOU discovered this star.

You honk and you will be notified about the number of celestial bodies in the system. Open the system map and check if that number matches the number of suns, planets and moons you see on the map. Inside the bubble it probably will.

Open the FSS and scan everything worth scanning. If you find an earthlike or a waterworld, you might also consider to orbit that particular planet and do an additional surface scan with the surface-scanner. You do not have to be the first to scan an object to sell the data, think of it as selling a confirmation of a discovery,

Sell your data from time to time. If your ship gets destroyed, all your unsold data will be gone.

Should you ever come across a system that no-one has ever visited before: FSS everything and surface-scan as much as you can - you get massive credit boni for "first discovered" and "first explored" and even more boni for complete systems plus a vanity-tag with your name will be put on those suns, planets and moons.
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DRAGONART777 Nov 20, 2019 @ 11:23pm 
you can sell your discoverys that you find in a station. you can also buy trade routs if you not been to that system before. in the map. i usly just fly by them as i am doing missions and it opens them up. then later if you wont to you can sell them.
DRAGONART777 Nov 20, 2019 @ 11:25pm 
you do not get much at all for them. but then again every bit counts lol. i look at it more as fuel money.
Naryoril Nov 21, 2019 @ 12:48am 
from what i gathered on my trip from the bubble to colonia to the center of the galaxy and (almost) back to the bubble: Any planet that has already been scanned with the FSS (at least since it exists, before people had to fly close to the planet) by any player and then that information has been sold to the cartography guys, automatically shows up on your system map. Planets not scanned by any player yet only show up on the system map after you scanned them (also, if you sell the info afterwards, any player will see that you are the one who discovered it).

That said: afaik you can't see the system map of systems you have never visited, maybe there are some exceptions. And you won't see any non discovered planets inside the bubble (the bubble is the inhabited space around our solar system), you'll have to travel out for that to happen. After a few thousand light years, you'll see a lot of systems where you are the first one to ever visit them.
Bannor (Banned) Nov 21, 2019 @ 1:05am 
You can see basic system data (main star, government, state, etc) in the galaxy map. You can only see detailed system data (other stars, planets, stations, etc) if 1) it's already available in the game or 2) you have visited that system in the past. You used to be able to buy detailed system data, but AFAIK this is no longer possible.
Planewalker Nov 21, 2019 @ 2:36am 
Can still buy system data for fully scanned inhabited systems.
711 Nov 21, 2019 @ 6:07am 
If you enter a system for the first time, your system-map will instanttly show all stars, planets, moons and stations in there. Most of the planets and moons will be tagged "not discovered yet" and you will only get additional information if you scan them.

You can guess from their appearance on the map if scanning them is worth the effort: while icey or rocky planets will earn you only a couple of hundred spacebucks if you scan them and sell the data, metal-rich, earthlikes and waterworlds and some gas-giants can earn you serious amounts of money, espc, if you are the first to scan them and/or do an additional surface scan with that other scanner. I would estimate that you can make around 10 million creadits per hour by doing exploration a couple of hundred lys away from the bubble. That is pretty much in the early game and you don´t need a super expensive ship or modules to do it. Just bring a fuel-scoop and some patience.

As for the stations: if you want to have the market prices of system you never visited before avaiable to you (and your map), you need to either dock at one of the stations in that system or scan the navigation signal near the entry point. But beware of pirates if you do so!

Fly safe o7



Naryoril Nov 21, 2019 @ 6:19am 
Originally posted by 711:
If you enter a system for the first time, your system-map will instanttly show all stars, planets, moons and stations in there. Most of the planets and moons will be tagged "not discovered yet" and you will only get additional information if you scan them.

That's not quite right. It will only instantly show all stars and other bodies that are already discovered or which are very close to you (depending on the size of the body, it's often about 100 light seconds, so the main star is always instantly shown). Yes, inside the bubble in practice that means "all bodies". To show not yet discovered stars, you need to use the discovery scanner (aka "honking"), to show other not yet discovered bodies, you need to either fly close, or scan them with the FSS.

The tag is "unexplored" iirc, it means, you haven't explored the body yet. But it will say "discovered by xyz".
711 Nov 21, 2019 @ 7:07am 
Sorry, my mother´s tongue is german and tried to freely translate the terms of the german version...

I think you may be right. I rarely came across fully undiscovered starsystems yet because I lack the patience to travel more than 1000lys away from the bubble.

But thank you for the hint. My strategy to this date was "open system system-map, if empty: jump on" - maybe I should FSS anyway, espc if I am near the 1000lys-mark.

Edit:

Ah wait, "honking" means using that fast scanner and it discovers every planet and moon there is? I do this whenever I enter a system so I guess I dont need to FSS if the systemmap is empty after "honking"...
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Naryoril Nov 21, 2019 @ 8:54am 
Originally posted by 711:
Sorry, my mother´s tongue is german and tried to freely translate the terms of the german version...

I think you may be right. I rarely came across fully undiscovered starsystems yet because I lack the patience to travel more than 1000lys away from the bubble.

But thank you for the hint. My strategy to this date was "open system system-map, if empty: jump on" - maybe I should FSS anyway, espc if I am near the 1000lys-mark.

Edit:

Ah wait, "honking" means using that fast scanner and it discovers every planet and moon there is? I do this whenever I enter a system so I guess I dont need to FSS if the systemmap is empty after "honking"...

No, honking doesn't discover planets and moons, only stars. But it does tell you how many bodies there are in the system. If you jump into a system and honk and the game tells you there are 20 bodies and you open the system map but there are only 5, that means there are 15 more bodies that haven't been discovered yet, and if you scan them with the FSS and return to a station and sell your exploration data, you'll be the one who discovered those planets.
Inside the bubble, where everything has already been discovered, all honking does, is getting you exploration data for additional stars in the system. At least that's my understanding of it now that i did a trip to uncharted areas. if i remember correctly, before exploration was changed and the FSS was introduced, honking actually filled your system map with the bodies in the system, but you had to fly to them to actually discover them (to do the same as FSS does nowadays).

Also: you will only get exploration data for planets if you either fly close to them or use the FSS on them. Fully mapping them with the detailed surface scanner will give you additional money.

Edit: Btw, i also learned that 10k light years is not all that far. If you have a ship with 60 light years jump range and just ignore everything that has to do with discovery to make as much distance as possible, you can travel about 4k light years in half an hour if you are in an area with lots of neutron stars and make use of them (e.g. by using the neutron router website).
Last edited by Naryoril; Nov 21, 2019 @ 8:58am
711 Nov 21, 2019 @ 9:40am 
Nice, I think I got it now.

This conversation makes me wanna hop into my exploration ship and make it past the 1k-barrier at last. Thank you for clarifying!
clif9710 Nov 21, 2019 @ 3:24pm 
Let's see if I have this right based on the info y'all have provided (many thanks!).

I jump to a star system where I have never been

1) If I am the first to get there, I'll get a basic system map on arrival but with no detail unless I do an FSS

2) If I am first to arrive but am careless and don't take time to check out all the signal sources, the sources that were not checked will remain undiscovered until someone does take the time to check them with an FSS

3) If others have been there before me and done a complete FSS then I will have a complete system map to look at but without detail on the planets until I do my own FSS

4) Discovery of the system and anything found with a FSS is registered immediately, or does it have to be given to the cartographers to be officially discovered? This would mean the first one back to a station with the data would be the discovered, not necessarily the first one who visited the system?

5) I started out in the Dromi system. I know that there are other systems where people can start the game, but are all of them in "the bubble" AKA the safe zone of the Pilot's Federation? If this is true then all players are starting from roughly the same area of the galaxy, and work their way outward from there?

711 Nov 21, 2019 @ 3:53pm 
"The bubble" is not just the safe zone but the huge cluster of mostly inhabited starsystems around Sol. If you turn on the "PowerPlay"-map in your galactic map you get an impression. The Powerplay-area covers most of the bubble. There are some areas at the edge that are not claimed yet tho.
711 Nov 21, 2019 @ 4:01pm 
I think that the bubble contains around 19k starsytems and I dont think that there is a single starsystem left that has not been discovered and explored yet. Outside and far away from the bubble however there are billions of other starsystems and only a very small fraction of those have been visited and explored yet.
Last edited by 711; Nov 21, 2019 @ 4:06pm
711 Nov 21, 2019 @ 4:10pm 
Question 4 is a good question. I would guess that maps are avaiable for all commanders only after someone handed them over to the cartographers but I am not sure about that.
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711 Nov 21, 2019 @ 4:32pm 
To sum it all up:

If you enter a system for the first time, you will be notified that you discovered the main star. This does not mean that you are the first that has discovered that star, it just means that YOU discovered this star.

You honk and you will be notified about the number of celestial bodies in the system. Open the system map and check if that number matches the number of suns, planets and moons you see on the map. Inside the bubble it probably will.

Open the FSS and scan everything worth scanning. If you find an earthlike or a waterworld, you might also consider to orbit that particular planet and do an additional surface scan with the surface-scanner. You do not have to be the first to scan an object to sell the data, think of it as selling a confirmation of a discovery,

Sell your data from time to time. If your ship gets destroyed, all your unsold data will be gone.

Should you ever come across a system that no-one has ever visited before: FSS everything and surface-scan as much as you can - you get massive credit boni for "first discovered" and "first explored" and even more boni for complete systems plus a vanity-tag with your name will be put on those suns, planets and moons.
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