How would we make peace with the Thargoids?

[raymazoida]

Ok, so lets say that as it's a new year a large part of humanity wanting peace, love and quality rock and roll rather than more burning stations and massive rebuy's decides they want to make peace with the goids

We realise our mistakes. We know that when they ripped us out of FSD and disabled our ships that wasn't hostile, and we regret acting like it was.

We know that the Fed/Empire leadership have been feeding us misinformation about our new friends and having found out that in fact they did not destroy one of our ships first we feel pretty bad about our previous hot-headedness, we believed the dodgy dossier and we are so so very sorry

We realise that when we saw goids scooping up humans from wrecked ships it wasn't them that wrecked it, that they weren't scooping them up for experiments, and our suspicions as to why these pods weren't' dropped at the nearest station were unfounded, we trust them implicitly and now believe 100% they did no harm to these people and they are all probably safe and well living in thargoid society and we only haven't heard from them because they are so happy they have forgotten all about us

We realise that when they destroyed our ships trying to rescue people that was actually in our best interests as it taught us how to be better pilots

And we are really really sorry our great-great grandparents had similar issues and misunderstandings and resorted to WMD's to win a war when they were very clearly in the wrong and should have just admitted that the Thargoids were better and should rule this part of space

In short we are ready to bend the knee, kiss the ring, acknowledge that they are better than us in every way.

We reach out, try to communicate, make a fresh start, explain we were wrong, that we were misled, and yet what happens?

They keep coming up with more and more stuff for us to apologise for, we wrecked some ancient temples and stuff, stole their fuel, stuff that other aliens did to them, that the alliance did, the way Hudson's brothers wife's sisters flatmates dads cousins butler once drew some mean graffiti etc etc we find the lower we bow the lower they want us to bow, the more we give the more they want, the more we abase ourselves the more humility they want, the more we ask for peace the more they threaten war.

We offer them our leaders for their just punishment, our leaders families, our leaders pets! Yet still they want more, still we are blamed for more things we did not do, no matter we take responsibility for that too and still more demands come in, we disarm, we lower all defences, we submit to their laws, to their demands, and still the demands keep coming

How do we resolve this?

What do we do?

[White Prime]

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

Somehow, I think I can relate to this from having a rl experience that is somewhat similar to the whole thargoid thing.

It must take both sides to end the fighting and to restore peace, but if only one side is trying for peace, and the other is trying for "a piece", it will be a total waste of time since the thargoids don't understand normal thinking and have zero interest in peace....just to get a piece of you.

Does it matter that they attacked first? No, because they will always think they are 1000% in the right and you have zero say so in the matter anyway.

But having faith in humanity, I believe that the humans will prevail and the thargoids will end up scurrying away like the bugs they are until they get themselves back together and make yet another run at it.

Some like any type of conflict, while others will only defend themselves from hostile things, but do it until there is a clear end to attacks.

But sometimes it's just worth a shot......even if you know it will be all for nothing.

At least you know you did try.

Then you realise you were born 20 years too late, and that the enemy has already destroyed your lives and future.

[Straight White Male]

Publicado originalmente por White Prime:

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

Somehow, I think I can relate to this from having a rl experience that is somewhat similar to the whole thargoid thing.

It must take both sides to end the fighting and to restore peace, but if only one side is trying for peace, and the other is trying for "a piece", it will be a total waste of time since the thargoids don't understand normal thinking and have zero interest in peace....just to get a piece of you.

Does it matter that they attacked first? No, because they will always think they are 1000% in the right and you have zero say so in the matter anyway.

But having faith in humanity, I believe that the humans will prevail and the thargoids will end up scurrying away like the bugs they are until they get themselves back together and make yet another run at it.

Some like any type of conflict, while others will only defend themselves from hostile things, but do it until there is a clear end to attacks.

But sometimes it's just worth a shot......even if you know it will be all for nothing.

At least you know you did try.

Then you realise you were born 20 years too late, and that the enemy has already destroyed your lives and future.

No, I like to give anything a chance.
I'm not a "shoot 1st, and ask questions later" kinda guy.
But I will shoot when I need to. :)

[Tux]

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

Somehow, I think I can relate to this from having a rl experience that is somewhat similar to the whole thargoid thing.

It must take both sides to end the fighting and to restore peace, but if only one side is trying for peace, and the other is trying for "a piece", it will be a total waste of time since the thargoids don't understand normal thinking and have zero interest in peace....just to get a piece of you.

Does it matter that they attacked first? No, because they will always think they are 1000% in the right and you have zero say so in the matter anyway.

But having faith in humanity, I believe that the humans will prevail and the thargoids will end up scurrying away like the bugs they are until they get themselves back together and make yet another run at it.

Some like any type of conflict, while others will only defend themselves from hostile things, but do it until there is a clear end to attacks.

But sometimes it's just worth a shot......even if you know it will be all for nothing.

At least you know you did try.

I have seen three videos of players flying into a region, encountering a thargoid, NOT SHOOTING, and they did not attack. they scanned and left.

[Fork_Q2]

Publicado originalmente por Tux:

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

Somehow, I think I can relate to this from having a rl experience that is somewhat similar to the whole thargoid thing.

It must take both sides to end the fighting and to restore peace, but if only one side is trying for peace, and the other is trying for "a piece", it will be a total waste of time since the thargoids don't understand normal thinking and have zero interest in peace....just to get a piece of you.

Does it matter that they attacked first? No, because they will always think they are 1000% in the right and you have zero say so in the matter anyway.

But having faith in humanity, I believe that the humans will prevail and the thargoids will end up scurrying away like the bugs they are until they get themselves back together and make yet another run at it.

Some like any type of conflict, while others will only defend themselves from hostile things, but do it until there is a clear end to attacks.

But sometimes it's just worth a shot......even if you know it will be all for nothing.

At least you know you did try.

I have seen three videos of players flying into a region, encountering a thargoid, NOT SHOOTING, and they did not attack. they scanned and left.

Hunting for sensor fragments in the Pleiades before I heard about the crash site with an absolute boatload of them, encountered loads of them that way. I eventually got sick of the sight of them, when I just wanted the damned sensors.

[raymazoida]

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

Publicado originalmente por White Prime:

Then you realise you were born 20 years too late, and that the enemy has already destroyed your lives and future.

No, I like to give anything a chance.
I'm not a "shoot 1st, and ask questions later" kinda guy.
But I will shoot when I need to. :)

Yes I think it is important to try

But then maybe we did that already when people gave them "gifts"? Many of which they attacked us for giving? It is not a good sign when that happens for sure.

Perhaps there is no way they can be reasoned with?

[Fork_Q2]

Publicado originalmente por mrraybaker:

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

No, I like to give anything a chance.
I'm not a "shoot 1st, and ask questions later" kinda guy.
But I will shoot when I need to. :)

Yes I think it is important to try

But then maybe we did that already when people gave them "gifts"? Many of which they attacked us for giving? It is not a good sign when that happens for sure.

Perhaps there is no way they can be reasoned with?

I think, if intelligent aliens really did make contact IRL, I wouldn't necessarily assume it would have to end in an War of the Worlds type scenario. Humans almost universally have developed codes of ethics and laws to prevent us from killing each other, scientific and all other types of progress all rely on regulatory behaviour of some sort. It's more possible than not that an advanced alien civilisation would also have developed one such understanding that we could exploit for our benefit and survival. But first we have to at least make an attempt to communicate.

But then again, they're bugs and gross.

[Tux]

Publicado originalmente por Fork_Q2:

Publicado originalmente por Tux:

I have seen three videos of players flying into a region, encountering a thargoid, NOT SHOOTING, and they did not attack. they scanned and left.

Hunting for sensor fragments in the Pleiades before I heard about the crash site with an absolute boatload of them, encountered loads of them that way. I eventually got sick of the sight of them, when I just wanted the damned sensors.

not sure I follow you, we have no choice but to attack them because we are tired of seeing them?

[Straight White Male]

Publicado originalmente por mrraybaker:

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

No, I like to give anything a chance.
I'm not a "shoot 1st, and ask questions later" kinda guy.
But I will shoot when I need to. :)

Yes I think it is important to try

But then maybe we did that already when people gave them "gifts"? Many of which they attacked us for giving? It is not a good sign when that happens for sure.

Perhaps there is no way they can be reasoned with?

From what I know now, it was a mistake to try anything we would say is "normal communications" with them based on how they have acted in the past.
With some things, if you try to be nice, you will most likely get bitten in the rear-end.
I'm yet to see any sign they have the ability to reason in any way, shape, or form.

[Fork_Q2]

Publicado originalmente por Tux:

Publicado originalmente por Fork_Q2:

Hunting for sensor fragments in the Pleiades before I heard about the crash site with an absolute boatload of them, encountered loads of them that way. I eventually got sick of the sight of them, when I just wanted the damned sensors.

not sure I follow you, we have no choice but to attack them because we are tired of seeing them?

Nah, if you were doing the sensor fragment request for Engineer Palin and his thruster upgrades, one method of doing it was to find UAs in the appropriate USS, it was called "anomaly" or "nonhuman signal sources", I can't recall which. It was in the Pleiades area of the galaxy near and around Maia.

Sometimes you came across a probe, in which case you shoot it into little sensor fragments, but 99% of the time (in my experince) it was a Thargoid seemingly inspecting a ship that was destroyed in a fight. It would scan and leave you alone, I presume the destroyed ship shot first.

There are USS with threat levels 5, 6 or higher. Those will have Thargoids that are itching for a fight (I haven't tried that yet though).

If you want to see non-aggressive Thargoids, that's the way to do it. I have no idea if hyperdiction is still a thing (never happened to me).

[raymazoida]

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

Publicado originalmente por mrraybaker:

Yes I think it is important to try

But then maybe we did that already when people gave them "gifts"? Many of which they attacked us for giving? It is not a good sign when that happens for sure.

Perhaps there is no way they can be reasoned with?

From what I know now, it was a mistake to try anything we would say is "normal communications" with them based on how they have acted in the past.
With some things, if you try to be nice, you will most likely get bitten in the rear-end.
I'm yet to see any sign they have the ability to reason in any way, shape, or form.

This is the problem

It seems what is normal communications for us is grossly offensive for them

Like our speach causes them physical pain in their heads or somthing...

[Tux]

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

Publicado originalmente por mrraybaker:

Yes I think it is important to try

But then maybe we did that already when people gave them "gifts"? Many of which they attacked us for giving? It is not a good sign when that happens for sure.

Perhaps there is no way they can be reasoned with?

From what I know now, it was a mistake to try anything we would say is "normal communications" with them based on how they have acted in the past.
With some things, if you try to be nice, you will most likely get bitten in the rear-end.
I'm yet to see any sign they have the ability to reason in any way, shape, or form.

so given that they do not attack first in an encounter, we have no other choice other than to shoot them to point of explosion so that we are sure to kill our own people in the pods they took.

gotta love humanity!

[raymazoida]

Publicado originalmente por Tux:

Publicado originalmente por zantar:

From what I know now, it was a mistake to try anything we would say is "normal communications" with them based on how they have acted in the past.
With some things, if you try to be nice, you will most likely get bitten in the rear-end.
I'm yet to see any sign they have the ability to reason in any way, shape, or form.

so given that they do not attack first in an encounter, we have no other choice other than to shoot them to point of explosion so that we are sure to kill our own people in the pods they took.

gotta love humanity!

They did attack our ships first

They just don't attack all ships, only ones that "upset them", often accidently

[Tux]

Publicado originalmente por mrraybaker:

Publicado originalmente por Tux:

so given that they do not attack first in an encounter, we have no other choice other than to shoot them to point of explosion so that we are sure to kill our own people in the pods they took.

gotta love humanity!

They did attack our ships first

They just don't attack all ships, only ones that "upset them", often accidently

right one has to dig pretty good into the past to try and find a justification to kill our own people who are in pods in their ships.

none of this is remotely surprising to me

[Tux]

Humans made contact and here is what they said via Alex Jones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4GYyJwYjQ

[raymazoida]

Publicado originalmente por Tux:

Publicado originalmente por mrraybaker:

They did attack our ships first

They just don't attack all ships, only ones that "upset them", often accidently

right one has to dig pretty good into the past to try and find a justification to kill our own people who are in pods in their ships.

none of this is remotely surprising to me

If they survived being blown up in their own ships stands to reason the pods would survive a second ship destruction...