Can't decide on Federal Corvette hardpoints.

[Marth Vader]

Finished up the fed navy's rank grind last night, and today I treated myself with a well-earned Corvette. I've got two hardpoint builds that I'm on the fence about, so I figured I'd just get some input.

So, without further ado...

AHEM

Build 1:
2x4A (G) Beam Laser w/ Thermal Conduit
3C (G) Multi-Cannon w/ Incendiary Rounds
2x2F (G) Multi-Cannon (1 w/ Corrosive Shell, 1 w/ Incendiary Rounds)
2x1G (T) Burst Laser w/ Scramble Spectrum

Or...

Build 2:
2x4A (G) Multi-Cannon w/ Incendiary Rounds
3C (G) Multi-Cannon w/ Corrosive Shell
2x2D (G) Beam Laser w/ Thermal Conduit (or Thermal Vent?)
2x1G (T) Burst Laser w/ Scramble Spectrum

Leaning towards the second build myself, but I can't make up my mind. Any suggestions beyond this welcome, but keep in mind I am AWFUL with fixed mounts.

[Aris]

1 c4 beam lr thermal vent fixed
1 c4 pulse lr fixed
rest oc multi cannons 1 of them corrosive gimbals and 1 small rail lr with fc special

mainly against medium ships against larger CaptainKINGPIN is better

[Hyokkuda]

Personally, I go for twins huge beam lasers while everything else are multi-cannons. But to run this build, you need some heavy engineering modifications. This setup for a stock Federal Corvette will not get you anywhere. But if you can manage to pull good rolls on efficiency for the beam lasers and overcharged multi-cannons and gives yourself weapons focused power distributor, then you can easily melt anything and chew through the hulls in less than 3 seconds from small to medium ships, to 7 seconds or less for large ships. Don't worry about heat, if your beam lasers got thermal vents, it will take a while before you reach 80% heat, especially if you run clean thrusters instead of dirty.

https://inara.cz/cmdr-fleet/47176/322416/

[in memoriam of Sharky]

I wouldn't use any turret except in the large slot because thats hard point position is kinda useless most of the time unless your ship's nose at least "on the level" of your target or higher else it wont fire . So I suggest you to use either a fixed weapon on that slot or a turret one but since there can't be three fire group I guess the turret is the best option. (If there would be three firegroup I would use a large PA or a fixed beam in the large slot . )

I have tried a few different loadout and I found two good option.

1st loadout (better in close range combat)

2xHuge Burst (gimballed,G5 Efficent,no experimental) (beams can work also)
1xLarge Burst (turretted,G5 Efficent,no experimental)
2xMedium Multicanon (gimballed,G5 overcharged, autoloader)
1xSmall Multicanon(gimballed,G5 overcharged,emissive munitions)
1xSmall Multicalon(gimballed,G5 overcharged,corrosive shell)
(Multi only used when shield is down)


2nd loadout (I think its better burst damage) (better against small fast ships)

2xHuge Multicanon (gimballed,G5 overcharged ,incendiary)
1xLarge Burst (turreted, G5 Efficent, no experimental)
2xMedium Burst (gimballed, G1 Long range, no experiemental)
2xSmall Burst (gimballed, G1 Long range, no experimental)
(there can be some heat issue fireing everything too long but its managable with 3-4 pips on weapons)


Both need G5 engineered distributor weapon or charge focused.

[in memoriam of Sharky]

CaptainKINGPIN eredeti hozzászólása:

Also I know that not everyone can aim Fixed weapons but it’s disgusting as a Vette pilot to see a loadout with gimbals and turrets on a ship that is easily capable of handling fixed

Why bother with fixed on a huge ship like this when you can have them "fixed" without targeting if it is needed (chaffs lauched) problem solved yes its less dps but still. I think agains low level AI and big targets fixed can be good with a Vette but as an all around setup its a waste and a loss of overal sustained dps . Yes I know fixed can work but I don't think thats an all round balanced loadout .

(Using lots if fixed on a vette is only good for "showing off" .)

:D

edit: I have checked your loadout you posted that looks very fun but I guess its only effective against big ships. I think I will try it sometime but I am not sure how is the fire groups?

[Aris]

Sharky eredeti hozzászólása:

CaptainKINGPIN eredeti hozzászólása:

(Using lots if fixed on a vette is only good for "showing off" .)

:D

edit: I have checked your loadout you posted that looks very fun but I guess its only effective against big ships. I think I will try it sometime but I am not sure how is the fire groups?

the number one mistake people do and face multiple rebuy is the belief that gimbals or turret can compete with fixed wpns in any way ,use gimbals and especially turret wpns if are absolute necessary only

[LedoCool]

Needs more plasma.

[in memoriam of Sharky]

I am not sure but I think you quoted "CaptainKINGPIN" reply to my post(than he deleted it?) what looks like I commented on my post myself. ehhh

Aris eredeti hozzászólása:

the number one mistake people do and face multiple rebuy is the belief that gimbals or turret can compete with fixed wpns in any way ,use gimbals and especially turret wpns if are absolute necessary only

Lol what? Sorry but I can't see the correlation between someone using gimbal and "facing multiple rebuys". I am not even sure if you are talking about PVP or PVE but I am pretty sure the OP asked about PVE loadouts because he did not mention PVP and in PVE the fixed weapons and its damage bonus won't be the turning point between life or death ehh. So whats the point? I am sure you know that the gimballed weapons can be used as fixed also in case of chaff , etc. you loose the lock so Its just personal preference which one is the more fun for the player . You basically just said "gimbaled is for noobs".

/sigh

[Surottoru]

For PvE gimbles work just fine, the only time I would find fixed better then gimbled is at long range shooting, and if you're doing PvE most fights are normally within 200m-1km and if the AI is pulling funky maneuvers, the gimbles can be on target much longer as they aren't forced in to pointing one direction.

PvP, whos cares, I've been told thats come down to who can roll better stats at an engineer

[CaptainKINGPIN]

Sharky eredeti hozzászólása:

CaptainKINGPIN eredeti hozzászólása:

Also I know that not everyone can aim Fixed weapons but it’s disgusting as a Vette pilot to see a loadout with gimbals and turrets on a ship that is easily capable of handling fixed

Why bother with fixed on a huge ship like this when you can have them "fixed" without targeting if it is needed (chaffs lauched) problem solved yes its less dps but still. I think agains low level AI and big targets fixed can be good with a Vette but as an all around setup its a waste and a loss of overal sustained dps . Yes I know fixed can work but I don't think thats an all round balanced loadout .

(Using lots if fixed on a vette is only good for "showing off" .)

:D

edit: I have checked your loadout you posted that looks very fun but I guess its only effective against big ships. I think I will try it sometime but I am not sure how is the fire groups?

Well firstly The corvette may be a massive ship but with G5 DD on A rated thrusters the corvette becomes maneuverable to utilize all fixed against pretty much any sized enemy; that being said Eagles are a pain to out turn but that leads into the second part of this reply,

My loadout is great against big and small alike as a blast from the dual Huge PAs is enough to vaporize most small ships and the fact that they are G5 long range means the shot speed is 1650 meters per second as opposed to the stock shot speed of 800 meters per second meaning I can easily hit those pesky little eagles with little trouble and in times where I do have an issue that’s when that lil bugger finds a “Cloud” of missiles wizzing towards them which normally spells death for them. The Cyroscramblers were mostly an afterthought as I had a pair lying around from my Archon Delaine days back at the start of PP; but I find them heavily effective against large slow ships and once their shields have been stripped they either eat corrosive buckshot Straight to the Powerplant or meet the twins.

[in memoriam of Sharky]

CaptainKINGPIN eredeti hozzászólása:

Sharky eredeti hozzászólása:

Why bother with fixed on a huge ship like this when you can have them "fixed" without targeting if it is needed (chaffs lauched) problem solved yes its less dps but still. I think agains low level AI and big targets fixed can be good with a Vette but as an all around setup its a waste and a loss of overal sustained dps . Yes I know fixed can work but I don't think thats an all round balanced loadout .

(Using lots if fixed on a vette is only good for "showing off" .)

:D

edit: I have checked your loadout you posted that looks very fun but I guess its only effective against big ships. I think I will try it sometime but I am not sure how is the fire groups?

Well firstly The corvette may be a massive ship but with G5 DD on A rated thrusters the corvette becomes maneuverable to utilize all fixed against pretty much any sized enemy; that being said Eagles are a pain to out turn but that leads into the second part of this reply,

My loadout is great against big and small alike as a blast from the dual Huge PAs is enough to vaporize most small ships and the fact that they are G5 long range means the shot speed is 1650 meters per second as opposed to the stock shot speed of 800 meters per second meaning I can easily hit those pesky little eagles with little trouble and in times where I do have an issue that’s when that lil bugger finds a “Cloud” of missiles wizzing towards them which normally spells death for them. The Cyroscramblers were mostly an afterthought as I had a pair lying around from my Archon Delaine days back at the start of PP; but I find them heavily effective against large slow ships and once their shields have been stripped they either eat corrosive buckshot Straight to the Powerplant or meet the twins.

I didnt say fixed can't hit small ships (I can hit eagles with Huge plasma on my Cutter). I said its not effective. No matter how good is the pilot he/she will miss with fixed weapons (the better the pilot the less ofc but there will be misses)

Higher ranked fast AI ships like Vulture, Cobra, Viper,Eagle change directions unpredictably a lot so even the long rangre PA will miss not to mention that these ships will outrun the Vette even with its G5 DD Thruster so if you can turn fast enough even than you can't keep your ship close enough while with long range gimballed bursts you can hunt them down a lot easier.

I also found that multiple fixed beams,bursts,pulses can be uneffective too against small targets above 1km after their shiled is down because the shieldless hitbox is so small that its very hard to keep all dot on these small ships simulataneously due to the fact that these dots does not have the same "focus point" in mid range (if they met at all at max range) . You you can use missiles to finish them but when people asking about combat builds I always try to suggest something what works the best. So I won't suggest using missiles when its a very "situational" weapons.

I am sure that loadout is pretty fun though and If I would have the Cyroscramblers unlocked I would use that for sure on every big ship thats a nobrainer since its just to much OP not to be used even if it has so bad jitter you will barely hit anything smaller than an Anacoda or an "ASPX within 100m". :D Even the packhoud sounds fun but I dont have that unlocked either and the standard seekers feels weak.