Vulture vs Fer-de-Lance

[NikkiLiz]

Tryyyyyyy not to flame over this. Tryyyyyy.

I love my Imperial Eagle (because Imperial ships cure AIDS when flown properly), but I need a fighter that has a bit more staying power and doesn't end with me limping home sobbing if I accidentally stay in front of an Anaconda in a CZ for 2-3 seconds, and one which is a bit more 'fun' than to just lolololler shield tank my way through in a Cutter.

So which do you think is actually better and why?

[Turd Ferguson]

The two are steps rather than equal ships. The FDL is roughly 4-5x as expensive once you fit it for combad as a Vulture.

Both are great, it just depends on your budget.

I prefer the Vulture, not necessariily because it's "better" but it's more fun. Fighting in an FDL feels to me like doing drivebys in a limo with a deer rifle, while the Vulture is like trying to kill a bull with a .45 while riding it.

[TROiDEN]

I'd go with Vulture, if you are able to do G5 Dirty Drive, that makes no point in FDL for me anymore.

[WillardTFoxx]

Personally i loved my vulture. Its all the thingsi wanted from a Small Class Ship. Tough as nails, excellent maneuverability for a Heavy Fighter, packs a hell of a punch with the twin Large Hardpoints.

I did buy an FDL. Owned it for less than 24 hours. Hated the Cockpit positioning on the top of the hull and the Harpoint Placement. Trying to hit anything with the belly mount Huge meant the Target had to almost be out of sight below the nose. Went back and put some effort into engineering the Vulture instead.

However I will add the Caveat that even though i dislike the FDL immensly it is the better ship of the two just by dint of the fact that it is a Medium Hull and therefore has more module space, hull etc etc.

[WillardTFoxx]

ok.

*gets the inflatable paddling pool and 50gl drum of baby oil

Starts selling tickets and takes bets*

If you two are gonna catfight I am making money off your sorry asses.

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Back on topic folks. A flame war was exactly what the OP did NOT want.

The Vulture is probably easier to fly "Out of the Box" as is being discussed in another thread. The FDL has more potential on paper once you start engineering it to the bleeding edge.

[Dread Lord]

Originally posted by gridlinkdead:

ok.

*gets the inflatable paddling pool and 50gl drum of baby oil

Starts selling tickets*

If you two are gonna catfight I am making money off your sorry asses.

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Back on topic folks. A flame war was exactly what the OP did NOT want.

The Vulture is probably easier to fly "Out of the Box" as is being discussed in another thread. The FDL has more potential on paper once you start engineering it to the bleeding edge.

besides FDL has double the firepower and stronger shields tthan the Vulture...

[WillardTFoxx]

Dread you know thats not a true statement.

The Huge is a bonus but it's placement sucks. The 4 Mediums do not equal the 2 Larges because of Drop-Off vs ship classes.

It certainly has MORE firepower, but i would not say double.

[Dread Lord]

vs small and medium targets its pretty much double vs big targets its still a lot more firepower... vs AI its not hard to use that hardpoint underneath. Even if its not double its a lot more!

But Vulture is way cheaper anyhow and the logical step before the decision FDL or Python even comes up! ;)

[GriM_AoD]

I never liked the Vulture, so I'm already biased towards the FDL.

The Vulture is substantially cheaper (my FDL costs over 100M), if Cr is a concern. It's 2 hardpoints make it much straightforward to outfit / use too.
A good thing about the FDL is that you can pretty much do whatever you like with it. When I first got one, I had 2 fixed beams central with 2 gimballed somethings on the wings with another fixed on the huge.. it worked well, but that didn't last long before I stuck 5PAs on it and only looked back briefly when Huge Beams were added.

[Lywelyn]

the versatility of the FDL's HP are a trap actually, with a good build on the 4 class 2 HPs you may not even need the class 4 unless you aim for big ships in which case it'll require the damage buff the class 4 give but beware your distributor then as it may deplete faster than you think, now i didn't flown it enought to be sure but i think giving a priority to the 4 class 2 is a better bet than getting a class 4 beam, even with the agility it provide to allow easier aiming i think FDL is rather made for burst build than sustained

[NikkiLiz]

Originally posted by NiGHTS:

the versatility of the FDL's HP are a trap actually, with a good build on the 4 class 2 HPs you may not even need the class 4 unless you aim for big ships in which case it'll require the damage buff the class 4 give but beware your distributor then as it may deplete faster than you think, now i didn't flown it enought to be sure but i think giving a priority to the 4 class 2 is a better bet than getting a class 4 beam, even with the agility it provide to allow easier aiming i think FDL is rather made for burst build than sustained

I always figured the FDL for a 'hit and run' drive-by style of fighter piloting. Zoom in, do incredible damage before they know what hit them, and be gone before they can turn around. Seems like it's distributor would drain really fast with beams on the 4 medium hardpoints (as there is no damage falloff against shields of any size) and some sort of kinetic on the Huge hardpoint for larger, easier to hit targets.

[Ofan]

OP, Just buy em both and decide :)

After the coming update the FDL will big ship hunt better than the vulture - if your aim is good. If it is not so good get the vulture and try and stick closer to your target and spray and pray.

For small ships the fdl can smoke them faster but because before you get in a Vulture your CMDR career tentds to have been small ships you will feel more at home in a vulture than the FDL, but that changes with practice.

All depends on flying style, some are better in one than the other. Buy them both, crash them into each other or find other ways to enjoy yourself with them. :)

[Lywelyn]

the current loadout i'm using with my FDL when hunting big ships is 2 overcharged PA on the left, 2 fast firing pulse 2 on the right and class 4 Mc on the belly

for the vultur i hunt small ships with 2 class 3 fast firing pulse, i can't say vultur is good at hunting big ship even with agility and speed, a good pilot even of a cutter could keep enought fire power aimed at you and you will drop before the cutter's shield lost their 1st ring

a dual thermal / kinetic could allow you to go for armored ships such as FAS or FGS but again if you want big fishes go for a FDL, more speed, more versatility no real power trouble.

[Vythica]

I Love my FDL <3 But i went Vulure --- > FDL.....They both have blah range, so i guess you know all the details of them, but for a killing machine, get the Lance....I will admit, it took me a long time to actually get used to the lance...seriously, you may kill stuff in RES's or CZ's but to master an FDL is awesome...Plus if you got the mats, go engineer it, and its amazing....

Everywhere i go i transport mine along, the range is that #$#$ Bad.....but for a ship that will literally slay anything once fine tuned, its worth the 5m + Transports :P

Yeah...deff the lance <3 PvE and PvP

Edit Oh and to add, also work to unlock PA Engineer...if you have not....Damage is amazing with that and 4 MC, so start getting used to firing it :P

[Straight White Male]

Originally posted by NiGHTS:

the current loadout i'm using with my FDL when hunting big ships is 2 overcharged APA on the left, 2 fast firing pulse 2 on the right and class 4 Mc on the belly

for the vultur i hunt small ships with 2 class 3 fast firing pulse, i can't say vultur is good at hunting big ship even with agility and speed, a good pilot even of a cutter could keep enought fire power aimed at you and you will drop before the cutter's shield lost their 1st ring

a dual thermal / kinetic could allow you to go for armored ships such as FAS or FGS but again if you want big fishes go for a FDL, more speed, more versatility no real power trouble.

How are you using 2 APAs on a FDL when it has 4 medium HPs and 1 huge?? :O
I have 4 of them, and they are large.

[Lywelyn]

oopsie xD i meant PA edited. i do wish FDL would have a class 3 slot make me think i havn't enginered my apa on my FAS yet gotta test thoses with overcharge see if the heat management is reliable