Damage Through Shields?

[Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah]

This is not a complaint/salt/FDEV pls nerf post, I just want to understand what happened. So I was running goods for the Imp CG in Maia tonight. Decided I'd play in open to give pirates a fair shot at me. I'm in a pure trade spec 'Conda, all slots filled with cargo but 6a shields and an ADS. I jump into Maia, and a Vulture interdicts me, name of the ship was USS Friendship iirc, don't remember the CMDR name. If it was a pirate I would have been open to negotiations, but I wasn't sitting still waiting to get ganked. I immediatley turn my Annie around, boost, and deploy chaff. Radio silence from the CMDR as he starts firing on me. I'm not sure what happened, but by the time I had charged my FSD, I had 91% hull but two rings of shields left. I safely made it to Obsidian with a measley 12k repair bill, but I'm just wondering how the CMDR was able to damage me through shields.

[Ildryn]

Phasing Sequence is a weapon mod for pulse and burst lasers.

It allows some damage to bleed through.

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Engineer%27s_weapon_special_effects

[Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah]

Thanks, I haven't really gotten too far in engineers. Odd that it was able to do 9% hull damage in such a short time, but I was using base armor ofc, and who know how long he spent on RNGnieer rolls.

[Arya]

Originally posted by Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah:

Thanks, I haven't really gotten too far in engineers. Odd that it was able to do 9% hull damage in such a short time, but I was using base armor ofc, and who know how long he spent on RNGnieer rolls.

Anacondas with Base Hull are very fragile. Even a single Burst Laser with a semi-decent roll could kill you relatively quickly, so get that hull upgraded ASAP.

[Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah]

Originally posted by 狼 Wolfey:

Anacondas with Base Hull are very fragile. Even a single Burst Laser with a semi-decent roll could kill you relatively quickly, so get that hull upgraded ASAP.

Fair enough, didn't bother to upgrade since I mostly use my Anaconda for hauling.

[Nfected]

Originally posted by Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah:

Thanks, I haven't really gotten too far in engineers. Odd that it was able to do 9% hull damage in such a short time, but I was using base armor ofc, and who know how long he spent on RNGnieer rolls.

I'd suggest at least 1 AFMU to keep your cargo hatch shut, and touch up modules

And if you haven't, slap an HRP in your military slot and engineer your lightweight alloys if you're concerned with weight

A class 5 HRP will give you 30% more hull strength anyways

Adding on, if he did 9%, that's approximately 80-85 Hull points off your 945 (might be off just a bit). I don't know how much actually sneaks through shields, but he must've been hammering you for a while

As long as you watch your internals, you'll be fine even with damage seeping through, the ones in particular being power plant, thrusters and FSD

Plus, if you didn't, submitting to interdiction brings your FSD back online much faster than your interdicted, so you can both get away and gain ground on them

[FalterXV TTV]

phasing, only ever does 1% per shot, if the hull of the ship, is weak to thermal, by an insane margin-or your bulkheads are sidewinder, or icourier strength. (or any small ship for that matter.)
Stock lightweight alloy, even with the most powerful burst laser (class 4) with a insanely good mod, would take 100 (full burst) strikes to kill a conda.
Conda's hull is not weak, unless you built your conda wrong, even the cutter's hull is not that weak. Unless you did nothing to change it.
Even a class 4 huge hardpoint with phasing, needs to have an insane armourpiercing value to kill your ship by itself through your shields.

If your taking insane ammounts of damage through your shield, my guess, is your being shot by dumbfires with superpentrator, and have little to no explosive resist. This not only cripples the external modules through the shield, but also will breach your hull through your shield, if this is coupled with phasing, you can have some nasty combinations.
Phasing is most effective when striking hull that has been hit with corrosion. That is when the phasing effect really comes into play.

[Nfected]

Do you remember what you were getting shot by? Plasma accelerators can get phasing and THATS asking for trouble

[Turih]

Phasing Sequence can be devastating against paper hull ships like Eagle and Imperial Courier.
Against big ships it is not as threatening as you think it would be. At best you force them to retreat but you wont likely kill them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrbMCqT-3sI

[Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah]

Originally posted by Belial8915:

If your taking insane ammounts of damage through your shield, my guess, is your being shot by dumbfires with superpentrator, and have little to no explosive resist. This not only cripples the external modules through the shield, but also will breach your hull through your shield, if this is coupled with phasing, you can have some nasty combinations.

I'm pretty sure this is it, now that I think about it I recall seeing a missle icon on my HUD. No real damage done in any case, thanks for the answers.

[Ildryn]

Originally posted by Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah:

Originally posted by Belial8915:

If your taking insane ammounts of damage through your shield, my guess, is your being shot by dumbfires with superpentrator, and have little to no explosive resist. This not only cripples the external modules through the shield, but also will breach your hull through your shield, if this is coupled with phasing, you can have some nasty combinations.

I'm pretty sure this is it, now that I think about it I recall seeing a missle icon on my HUD. No real damage done in any case, thanks for the answers.

Penetrator Missiles do not go through shields. And the likelyhood of a Vulture using missiles at all is miniscule.

Phasing sequence is the only way to attack your hull with your shields up.

(Reverb torps/mines) can damage your shield generator while your shields are up but not your hull.

[Turih]

Originally posted by Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah:

Originally posted by Belial8915:

If your taking insane ammounts of damage through your shield, my guess, is your being shot by dumbfires with superpentrator, and have little to no explosive resist. This not only cripples the external modules through the shield, but also will breach your hull through your shield, if this is coupled with phasing, you can have some nasty combinations.

I'm pretty sure this is it, now that I think about it I recall seeing a missle icon on my HUD. No real damage done in any case, thanks for the answers.

The missile icon stands for Phasing Sequence effect.

[FalterXV TTV]

Originally posted by Turih:

Originally posted by Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah:

I'm pretty sure this is it, now that I think about it I recall seeing a missle icon on my HUD. No real damage done in any case, thanks for the answers.

The missile icon stands for Phasing Sequence effect.

guess i need to go mod some dumbfires tommorrow then. seems, people dont know about the effects offered on a dumbfire missile.
probably cuz nobody on steam uses misslies, except for me.
There is a reason i used the word, Dumbfire rocket, as there are 3 brands of missiles:
Seekers, Packhounds (Seekers) and Dumbfires.

well, off to Liz tommorrow, after i assist my friend with the Alioth Permit.

[Ildryn]

Originally posted by Belial8915:

Originally posted by Turih:

The missile icon stands for Phasing Sequence effect.

guess i need to go mod some dumbfires tommorrow then. seems, people dont know about the effects offered on a dumbfire missile.
probably cuz nobody on steam uses misslies, except for me.
There is a reason i used the word, Dumbfire rocket, as there are 3 brands of missiles:
Seekers, Packhounds (Seekers) and Dumbfires.

well, off to Liz tommorrow, after i assist my friend with the Alioth Permit.

...missiles do not phase.

[Turih]

Originally posted by Belial8915:

Originally posted by Turih:

The missile icon stands for Phasing Sequence effect.

guess i need to go mod some dumbfires tommorrow then. seems, people dont know about the effects offered on a dumbfire missile.
probably cuz nobody on steam uses misslies, except for me.
There is a reason i used the word, Dumbfire rocket, as there are 3 brands of missiles:
Seekers, Packhounds (Seekers) and Dumbfires.

well, off to Liz tommorrow, after i assist my friend with the Alioth Permit.

You are talking to someone who had Liz unlocked the very first day of engineers update. Its also funny that you think you are the only one around here who uses missiles.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/811055404669713116/E52E7A59A409A5BA7A84B70B9686EEB7AAF933B7/
Missile Icon which Morrowind's Most Dangerous N'wah referred to is the Shield Breach which can be seen in the picture. That is in other words Phasing Sequence special effect.

If he was to be shot at by Penetrator Missiles, he would see the Hull Breach icon.

Penetrator missiles enable you to damage internal modules unlike unmodded ones which damage external ones. It is all about the HULL not SHIELD penetration as Ildryn pointed out already.

[Ildryn]

Originally posted by Turih:

If he was to be shot at by Penetrator Missiles, he would see the Hull Breach icon.

Penetrator missiles enable you to damage internal modules unlike unmodded ones which damage external ones. It is all about the HULL not SHIELD penetration as Ildryn pointed out already.

But...not through shields like Turih says.