SAMURAI WARRIORS 4-II

SAMURAI WARRIORS 4-II

Zealos 2015 年 9 月 28 日 下午 3:19
SW4 or SW4-II?
I noticed people other forums stating that SW4-II did make some decent improvements, but overall SW4 is the better option of the two. Does anyone else have any opinions on this?

I haven't played either game yet, but I am a big fan of the Warriors series and was wondering if I should get SW4 on PS4 or this on PC. I haven't been happy with Koei's track record of PC ports and the PS4 version of SW4 is only $25, so I have been leaning towards the getting that.
最后由 Zealos 编辑于; 2015 年 9 月 28 日 下午 3:22
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Raz//RIP Kentaro Miura 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 6:31 
Quite frankly I cant really recommend SW4-2 if you are in it for the single player experience and havent 4 yet.
4-2´s story mode is a mess of little what-if and sidequest scenarios that would barely qualify as scenario-dlc and if you arent a fan of the new characters you are in for a dry ride as thats where the focus is at.
Quite the step down from DW8 XL´s added scenarios.
Survival mode is utterly hit or miss,personally I found it to be incredibly boring and just downright lacking compared to something like the ambitions mode of 8 or even something like the legends mode of DW3 XL.

4-2 is a decent if somewhat pricey addition if you already played 4 but without it?
Feels just hollow.
Zantagor 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 7:03 
Personally, I found Chronicle mode in SW4 to be a drag after a while personally. It was just an excuse for me to get the legendary weapons, and get the trophies, but it was overall kind of boring in general.

I think I actually prefer the Infinite Castle somehow, but that's probably just me.
Supersolenoid 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 8:24 
Well for a start - do not buy the pc version over the ps4 version, because the ps4 is far superior visually (PC has ps3 textures and NONE of the really nice post processing effects that make sw4 look so great on ps4)
So the question is - do you get SW4 or SW4-2 for ps4. It's really down to the game modes you prefer.
SW4 has Chronicle mode and story mode.
SW4-2 has Survival mode and story mode(different story perspective).
Both have free mode.
Overall- SW4-2 is what it is - a small expansion, that, without the base game content, feels very very hollow.
Personally- the only advantage SW4-2 nas over SW4 is that you have all the character weapons for your Custom characters, unlocked from the outside instead of grinding for hours in Chronicle mode.

最后由 Supersolenoid 编辑于; 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 8:29
Laivasse 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 8:50 
引用自 Monkeyhuouse
引用自 Zealos
This is an expansion? I thought this was branded as a revised editon of SW4.

What you're thinking is accurate.

I'm clueless here. Anyone reading this forum is going to be getting seriously mixed messages. €50 seems far too much for just an expansion, so what you're saying makes sense.

However, all over the last few pages of the forum people seemed to be in agreement that it's a standalone expansion, missing SW4 base game content. Even the message above this one suggests that it's 'a small expansion...without the base game content'.

What's the bottom line??
Pippin123 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 8:55 
引用自 Laivasse

What's the bottom line??

Think of it as a "reboot" : it's more or less the "same game" in terms of mechanics and characters, but the story mode are different, focusing on different characters (the lesser known ones)
Zantagor 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 9:05 
引用自 Laivasse
引用自 Monkeyhuouse

What you're thinking is accurate.

I'm clueless here. Anyone reading this forum is going to be getting seriously mixed messages. €50 seems far too much for just an expansion, so what you're saying makes sense.

However, all over the last few pages of the forum people seemed to be in agreement that it's a standalone expansion, missing SW4 base game content. Even the message above this one suggests that it's 'a small expansion...without the base game content'.

What's the bottom line??

I don't get the "small" expansion myself though
the game technically has 1 more story stage than the original (65 vs 64)
so Story wise it's actually much the same

the only big missing part is the Chronicle mode, which to be fair was average at best, and ended up being a massive drag quite quickly

It also has a better skill unlock system than the origina's Item system.
最后由 Zantagor 编辑于; 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 9:06
Raz//RIP Kentaro Miura 2015 年 9 月 30 日 上午 9:06 
引用自 Laivasse
I'm clueless here. Anyone reading this forum is going to be getting seriously mixed messages. €50 seems far too much for just an expansion, so what you're saying makes sense.

However, all over the last few pages of the forum people seemed to be in agreement that it's a standalone expansion, missing SW4 base game content. Even the message above this one suggests that it's 'a small expansion...without the base game content'.

What's the bottom line??
To spell it out clearly:
It lacks all SW4 base game content(save for the base game assets like BGM´s and characters).
Its story mode is a combination of small side scenarios instead of SW4´s retelling of the sengoku era(to give an example here,SW4-2 offers a scenario based on Hisahide Matsunaga,one of Nobunaga´s retainers,trying to off him while the base game offers a campaign focusing on the Oda´s rise and fall as a whole,naturally spanning many more battles and events).
Chronicles mode,which was a sort of mercenary choose your own path-mode,is gone and replaced by castle survival which is for all intends and purposes just that,a endless survival against enemy groups.

If you still are unsure just go check out the koei wiki as that has a listing of the content both games offer.
Supersolenoid 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 12:11 
It's also worth noting that SW4 is budget price all over the place, whereas 2 is full price. For the content you are getting, there really is no question that SW4 is the better buy right now. By a long shot (Been as you have ps4)
Zantagor 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 12:29 
引用自 Supersolenoid
It's also worth noting that SW4 is budget price all over the place, whereas 2 is full price. For the content you are getting, there really is no question that SW4 is the better buy right now. By a long shot (Been as you have ps4)
Actually on PS4 the game's 49.99$ whereas full price games are usually 59.99$
the game's 39.99$ on PS3
SW4 was sold 49.99$ on PS3 when it came out.
Supersolenoid 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 12:34 
引用自 Zantagor
引用自 Supersolenoid
It's also worth noting that SW4 is budget price all over the place, whereas 2 is full price. For the content you are getting, there really is no question that SW4 is the better buy right now. By a long shot (Been as you have ps4)
Actually on PS4 the game's 49.99$ whereas full price games are usually 59.99$
the game's 39.99$ on PS3
SW4 was sold 49.99$ on PS3 when it came out.
Righto. Well point still remains- SW4 can be found significantly cheaper.
Zantagor 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 12:35 
引用自 Supersolenoid
引用自 Zantagor
Actually on PS4 the game's 49.99$ whereas full price games are usually 59.99$
the game's 39.99$ on PS3
SW4 was sold 49.99$ on PS3 when it came out.
Righto. Well point still remains- SW4 can be found significantly cheaper.
Well ya, it's older :P
Supersolenoid 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 12:42 
引用自 Zantagor
引用自 Supersolenoid
Righto. Well point still remains- SW4 can be found significantly cheaper.
Well ya, it's older :P

Your genius mind is just way ahead of the game, L :)
Laivasse 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 3:57 
Thanks for the clarification, guys.
Terminus 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 5:47 
引用自 Raz
引用自 Laivasse
I'm clueless here. Anyone reading this forum is going to be getting seriously mixed messages. €50 seems far too much for just an expansion, so what you're saying makes sense.

However, all over the last few pages of the forum people seemed to be in agreement that it's a standalone expansion, missing SW4 base game content. Even the message above this one suggests that it's 'a small expansion...without the base game content'.

What's the bottom line??
To spell it out clearly:
It lacks all SW4 base game content(save for the base game assets like BGM´s and characters).
Its story mode is a combination of small side scenarios instead of SW4´s retelling of the sengoku era(to give an example here,SW4-2 offers a scenario based on Hisahide Matsunaga,one of Nobunaga´s retainers,trying to off him while the base game offers a campaign focusing on the Oda´s rise and fall as a whole,naturally spanning many more battles and events).
Chronicles mode,which was a sort of mercenary choose your own path-mode,is gone and replaced by castle survival which is for all intends and purposes just that,a endless survival against enemy groups.

If you still are unsure just go check out the koei wiki as that has a listing of the content both games offer.

This convinced me I should wait for either some DLC to include the base content stuff, or a fuller game to be released in the future. The story mode in DW8XLCE, which was pretty much a complete romantic retelling of the Three Kingdoms era, was easily the best thing about the game for me, and so if the story mode in SW4-II just feels like a collection of side stories, without the main stuff, then it's already missing that hook for me.


Guess I'll have to wait longer to finally play SW again. I haven't played it since the first way back when.
最后由 Terminus 编辑于; 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 5:48
William Shakesman 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:53 
SW4-2 isn't really an expansion. It reimagines the stat-systems of SW4 almost entirely. Weapons are completely redone along with items. The power grid is a huge new thing.

That said, I thought SW4 did a really terrible job of telling the SW story. It has several faction stories that barely match up coherently. SWC3, which is SW4 for handhelds, only with systems JUST as different from both SW4 and SW4-2, does an excellent job of telling the story in a straightforward living the drama fashion as well as having numerous what-ifs where other factions win.

SW4-2 side stories aren't all that bad. Some of the fun of SW is the characters and giving them their own dramatic chance to shine is a decent ride.
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