Scientific notation?

[Gappar]

I can't manage to understand this "octoquadgendezillion" thing. English uses a really weird way of naming big numbers.
Is there any way to change it so that I can have the numbers in scientific notation, where a billion is 10^9, a quadrillion is 10^15, and so on...? Could the developers put this into the game?
Thanks.

[Deadpan Serious]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย skhar:

I hate the -iard ending. It's common use in Germany. It makes counting so much harder and unlogical. Bi, Tri, Quad, Quint, Sext, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, ... it's easy like counting one two three and always adding three more zeros, but with the -iards you throw it all over ...1 million = 1 million, 1 billion = 1 milliard, 1 trillion = 1 billion, 1 quadrillion = 1 billiard and so on ...

actually, long count makes more sense. in fact, afaic, short count is simply wrong.

"bi" means two, right? tri means three etc. and in the long count, "billion" simply means 1,000,000^2 and trillion means 1,000,000^3. etc.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kinne:

Personally, I think it would make the most sense without thousands. So it just counts the commas. Like million is one comma (1,000), billion is two commas (1,000,000), duodecillion is 12 commas, trequagintillion is 53 commas, etc. But nobody is going to want to learn a new number system that moves everything over one comma just to make numbers most people don't care about slightly easier to think about.

oddly, Americans did just that, learning a new system, but for the opposite reason: just to ♥♥♥♥ up the logic. and then the British stupidly followed their example.

oh, Americans...

[skhar]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Deadpan Serious:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย skhar:

I hate the -iard ending. It's common use in Germany. It makes counting so much harder and unlogical. Bi, Tri, Quad, Quint, Sext, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, ... it's easy like counting one two three and always adding three more zeros, but with the -iards you throw it all over ...1 million = 1 million, 1 billion = 1 milliard, 1 trillion = 1 billion, 1 quadrillion = 1 billiard and so on ...

actually, long count makes more sense. in fact, afaic, short count is simply wrong.

"bi" means two, right? tri means three etc. and in the long count, "billion" simply means 1,000,000^2 and trillion means 1,000,000^3. etc.

Okay, that's working for the -illions. How about the -iards? ;) 1 billiard = 1,000 * 1,000,000^2 or 1,000,000^3/1000? 1 trilliard = 1000 * 1,000,000^3 or 1,000,000^4/1000?
With the short scale I personally can calculate the correct number way easier. x = Latin words in numbers, +1, *3 => 10^x

[Deadpan Serious]

how is that easier? +1 ×3 is more steps than ×6.

and you don't generally need the -iards. go from 1 to 999999, then from 1 to 999999 million, then from 1 to 999999 billion etc. that's consistency.
"billiard" would simply mean the same as "k billion". or, as if "ard" means "and a half" (1 billiard in long count is 1 million ^2.5)

you can't call something two if it's not somehow twice something else. one quadrillion being 5 powers of one thousand is confusing.

[skhar]

One thousand millions? Ninehundredninetyninethousandninehundreninetynine billions? Meh :/
But it's just a personal preference. Although I learned the long scale at school and I use it here in reallife when it comes to such big numbers, I'm more familiar with the short scale when it comes to games like these.

Don't know what you mean with twice something else.

[Deadpan Serious]

billion in long count is twice the number of decimals beyond the first as a million, or twice as much exponential. in short count it doesn't actually stand for anything.

ok you wouldn't actually say "thousand million" unless you're into politics and wanna make sure everyone apreciates just how big the number is.

but as i just edited in, billiard means 2.5 powers of million.

[Kinne]

Without using a calculator:
23^2.5
3(23+1)

Which was easier?

[Deadpan Serious]

i don't really follow. certainly 1,000,000^2.5 (or, 6×2.5) is easier than 1000^(1+4) (or, 3×(1+4)).

[LittlePeach]

They are just fantasynumbers, I find this pretty annoying too.

[RalphRoberts]

Scientific notation would be glorious!

[♕ Xunie ♡]

I got a response from customer support: http://i.imgur.com/tktnPRp.png
It's habbening!

[Fork0]

dey da reel mvp ;)

[summitsummit]

I'm still waiting for scientific notation...

[cz]

EDIT: Whoops, didn't realize this thread was only a necro. Oh well.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Deadpan Serious:

actually, long count makes more sense. in fact, afaic, short count is simply wrong.

"bi" means two, right? tri means three etc. and in the long count, "billion" simply means 1,000,000^2 and trillion means 1,000,000^3. etc.

It's nonsensical to say short scale is "simply wrong". They're two different systems for naming numbers; you can't say one is "wrong" by the standards of the other. That's like saying it's illegal to drive on the left in the UK because in the US, we drive on the right. Well, no; you determine what side of the road to drive on by using the context of which country you're in.

You're correct in saying that in the long scale, the numerical prefixes count the number of powers of a million. Meanwhile, in the short scale, the numerical prefixes count the number of powers of a thousand, starting with a million as the base.

Both systems are internally consistent, but short scale has the clear advantage in that almost no one uses the long scale anymore, even in countries that historically preferred it.

For purposes of playing the game, you really don't need to be able to convert in your head how many zeroes are in a duovigintillion. All you need to know is that duovigintillion is 1000 times larger than unvigintillion, which is 1000 times larger than vigintillion, which is 1000 times larger than novemdecillion, and so forth; since at any given time, all your investments are probably within just a few orders of magnitude of each other.

[sfnhltb]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย skhar:

I hate the -iard ending. It's common use in Germany. It makes counting so much harder and unlogical. Bi, Tri, Quad, Quint, Sext, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, ... it's easy like counting one two three and always adding three more zeros, but with the -iards you throw it all over ...1 million = 1 million, 1 billion = 1 milliard, 1 trillion = 1 billion, 1 quadrillion = 1 billiard and so on ...

Long scale is easy, it is just based on millions of millions instead of thousands of millions, so you can quickly work out that sextillion is going to have 6x6 zeroes, octillion is 8x6 zeroes, etc., whereas octillion in short scale is 8x3+3 zeroes which isn't quite as straightforward.

I still use short scale because I speak english (british), but the long scale is the more sensible version.

[Splax]

http://www.isthe.com/chongo/tech/math/number/howhigh.html I like this website personally, as it goes into numbers much bigger than those in AdCap. Really the numbers are extremely easy to figure out once you know the pattern. Let's take octoquadragintillion for example, that has prefix of 8 + 40, or 48. The prefix is always one less than the actual Latin power, so 1 octoquadragintillion would be 1000^49, or 10^147.

That being said you don't need to know exactly how big the numbers if you know how they relate to eachother, as cz said above me.