Genesis 1 SP Gauntlet missions broken?

[きょすけ]

Hey there, I've finally started genesis 1 map, and trying to wrap my mind around missions.... while they can be somewhat fun, I'm having issues with the gauntlet ones: the first time I tried a gamma one, I was with my ferox in it's transformed state, a few seconds after starting the gauntlet mission, I got teleported with my ferox somewhere, here HLNA warned me about getting ready for a swarm of enemies; the problem is, they were behind a virtual wall, so I couldn't damage them, nor they could damage me.
After ten solids minutes I've decided to cancel the mission, and look up to google for more informations, and it seems that I have to damage them with gauntlet weapons which should spawn near the terminal, so I put away my ferox , restarted the mission, and as soon the swarm started I could see some random gauntlet weapons, so I used them to clear the gamma mission.

Then I tried again, this time with another dino, again I got teleported somewhere and the first bug happened again: enemies spawned behind a virtual wall and I couldn't damage them nor they could damage me.

Am I missing something here? Are dino simply not allowed in this type of mission? If so, why do I get teleported along them?

[🦊 Hermit]

Yeah, you can't use creatures in that mission - provided weapons only. I hadn't heard about being teleported away with the dinos, I thought that just the dinos were ported and the player remained in the arena, but I haven't done those missions myself yet so I don't know much about them.

Also, the harder difficulty versions of those missions are balanced for multiplayer, and it's completely impossible for a single player to output the required damage to complete them, so you may have to use admin commands to finish a couple of them. Fair warning in advance...

[きょすけ]

Originally posted by 🦊 Hermit:

Yeah, you can't use creatures in that mission - provided weapons only. I hadn't heard about being teleported away with the dinos, I thought that just the dinos were ported and the player remained in the arena, but I haven't done those missions myself yet so I don't know much about them.

Also, the harder difficulty versions of those missions are balanced for multiplayer, and it's completely impossible for a single player to output the required damage to complete them, so you may have to use admin commands to finish a couple of them. Fair warning in advance...

Oh I see, thank you for letting me know. As for difficulty... yeah I'm reading as much from the various threads and reddit posts, I'd like to avoid using commands to cheese the game, but if there is no way for me to clear those on SP so be it!

[william_es]

The dino used to be put into a temporary cryopod (one that despawns when you release the creature), unless that has changed recently.

I've seen a video where someone actually did on purpose what you're doing by accident:

Start the alpha version, but get outside the arena without cancelling it. They then used a series of powerful tames to kill all the stuff piling up against the inner wall of the arena forcefield. As hermit said above, the higher levels of that mission (like bog beatdown), are probably impossible if you're solo.

So if anything, if that's a repeatable glitch, that's sort of a good thing. The few times I tried getting outside the arena, I either cancelled the start of the mission by moving too far away, or I was stuck inside the arena. On alpha.... and failed the mission.

Gamma versions are actually kind of fun, but you need insanely high speed. You have to outrun and kite the enemies. Never stop moving. My genesis 1 character has like 170% speed. For comparison, on most other maps it's like 10%-20%, and on a few it's zero (I keep different characters on each map). There are certain things that are more likely to drop in the gauntlet missions by the way, so in some cases it's worth replaying them for the loot. But unless you're after some _very_ specific items on those loot tables, the gauntlet missions are lot of work for the same kind of loot you can get MUCH easier from other missions.

I've done beta solo, and it was a white knuckle terror ride. When I finished, I could barely move my hands. Not something I will bother repeating again.

[きょすけ]

Originally posted by william_es:

The dino used to be put into a temporary cryopod (one that despawns when you release the creature), unless that has changed recently.

I've seen a video where someone actually did on purpose what you're doing by accident:

Start the alpha version, but get outside the arena without cancelling it. They then used a series of powerful tames to kill all the stuff piling up against the inner wall of the arena forcefield. As hermit said above, the higher levels of that mission (like bog beatdown), are probably impossible if you're solo.

So if anything, if that's a repeatable glitch, that's sort of a good thing. The few times I tried getting outside the arena, I either cancelled the start of the mission by moving too far away, or I was stuck inside the arena. On alpha.... and failed the mission.

Gamma versions are actually kind of fun, but you need insanely high speed. You have to outrun and kite the enemies. Never stop moving. My genesis 1 character has like 170% speed. For comparison, on most other maps it's like 10%-20%, and on a few it's zero (I keep different characters on each map). There are certain things that are more likely to drop in the gauntlet missions by the way, so in some cases it's worth replaying them for the loot. But unless you're after some _very_ specific items on those loot tables, the gauntlet missions are lot of work for the same kind of loot you can get MUCH easier from other missions.

I've done beta solo, and it was a white knuckle terror ride. When I finished, I could barely move my hands. Not something I will bother repeating again.

I see, thanks for all this piece of information.
Yeah not gonna lie I felt already tired with gamma, especially since I'm more used to ride dinos rather than shooting or using questionable weapons for the gauntlet (hatchet, really?)

Shame, I like the hexagon thing and shop, and the alpha mission give a very lucrative amount of them, but if there is no alpha version doable solo... I will just have to try any means accessible to me to clear them (especially since from what I understand I need to clear LOTS of missions in order to access all the boss tiers?

PS: I'm doing the deerly hunt mission thing, and I'm stuck at 91/94 traces founds, I'm running like an idiot for over 20 minutes and this thing is getting tiring pretty fast.

[william_es]

Originally posted by きょすけ:

Shame, I like the hexagon thing and shop, and the alpha mission give a very lucrative amount of them, but if there is no alpha version doable solo... I will just have to try any means accessible to me to clear them (especially since from what I understand I need to clear LOTS of missions in order to access all the boss tiers?

PS: I'm doing the deerly hunt mission thing, and I'm stuck at 91/94 traces founds, I'm running like an idiot for over 20 minutes and this thing is getting tiring pretty fast.

There are a lot of missions that are easy to do on alpha. The "hunt" missions are actually pretty easy with a high level tames.

Alpha velonasaur hunt is my go to. 30,000 hexagons for a mission that takes me 10 minutes if I'm slow. Can be restarted as soon as you end one, no cooldown. I do the whole mission with a single r-thylacoleo, that's about level 304. It was crossbred from 150's and then boosted with exp. No mutations. I've also done it with a velonasaur too (mainly for giggles). The thyla has massive bleed damage tho, which reallllly speeds up taking the enemy out.

Alpha velonasaur hunt has at the end three velonasaurs, 2 thorny dragons, dilo's (the little dinos that spit blinding poison), and some stuff. Thorny dragons are the most dangerous thing there... kill them first. They will chase you instantly, and do very high damage. You can lure them over to a small ledge and stand on top of it. The thylacoleo's bit hitbox is insane wide and large, so even being above them I can hit them and they can't hit back. The dilos will chase you too. The velonasaurs will actually ignore you 90% of the time if you don't get too close. Save them for last. If you get close and bite one, start backing up. When you get far enough away, they stop melee attacking and shoot needles at you. I have a level 100+ ascendant saddle, so the velonasaur needles do almost no damage. Maybe a pt or two. The thyla's bite radius is so huge that I can still hit them for max damage + bleed, while they're 1 pt per needle to me.

And if the final showdown happens in water (I'm based near the big lakes on the eden ring, and the final end of hunt happens in the water a lot), they can actually _drown_ in the water if you wait long enough. I've literally had half the enemies drown in a single challenge. Also, when out in deep water, thorny dragon can't even attack back. Soon as they're in the shallows and even one foot hits the ground, they can attack back tho. but in deep water, they're helpless. Nom nom nom. dead.

[きょすけ]

Originally posted by william_es:

There are a lot of missions that are easy to do on alpha. The "hunt" missions are actually pretty easy with a high level tames.

Alpha velonasaur hunt is my go to. 30,000 hexagons for a mission that takes me 10 minutes if I'm slow. Can be restarted as soon as you end one, no cooldown. I do the whole mission with a single r-thylacoleo, that's about level 304. It was crossbred from 150's and then boosted with exp. No mutations. I've also done it with a velonasaur too (mainly for giggles). The thyla has massive bleed damage tho, which reallllly speeds up taking the enemy out.

Alpha velonasaur hunt has at the end three velonasaurs, 2 thorny dragons, dilo's (the little dinos that spit blinding poison), and some stuff. Thorny dragons are the most dangerous thing there... kill them first. They will chase you instantly, and do very high damage. You can lure them over to a small ledge and stand on top of it. The thylacoleo's bit hitbox is insane wide and large, so even being above them I can hit them and they can't hit back. The dilos will chase you too. The velonasaurs will actually ignore you 90% of the time if you don't get too close. Save them for last. If you get close and bite one, start backing up. When you get far enough away, they stop melee attacking and shoot needles at you. I have a level 100+ ascendant saddle, so the velonasaur needles do almost no damage. Maybe a pt or two. The thyla's bite radius is so huge that I can still hit them for max damage + bleed, while they're 1 pt per needle to me.

And if the final showdown happens in water (I'm based near the big lakes on the eden ring, and the final end of hunt happens in the water a lot), they can actually _drown_ in the water if you wait long enough. I've literally had half the enemies drown in a single challenge. Also, when out in deep water, thorny dragon can't even attack back. Soon as they're in the shallows and even one foot hits the ground, they can attack back tho. but in deep water, they're helpless. Nom nom nom. dead.

Ohhh really? That's awesome to hear, thanks! I will try that and see how it goes.
Speaking of which, would those soloable missions be enough to unlock the gamma/beta/alpha boss, or would I still need to clear all missions on every difficulty?

[william_es]

Originally posted by きょすけ:

Ohhh really? That's awesome to hear, thanks! I will try that and see how it goes.
Speaking of which, would those soloable missions be enough to unlock the gamma/beta/alpha boss, or would I still need to clear all missions on every difficulty?

Possibly. There are some weird glitches on genesis missions, where you sometimes do 1 mission on gamma, and it unlocks all three levels. I've seen it happen multiple times, both on gen 1 and gen 2.

and... you're gonna kick me, but the velonasaur hunt is actually on genesis 2. I switch back and forth between gen 1 and gen 2 alot, so they're all rolled up together in my mind. Genesis 1 does have it's own alpha hunt missions, not too much harder. Just not as sweet as the alpha velonasaur hunt on gen2 (where the water can actually drown them). If you do get to playing genesis 2, remember that mission. It's awesome. I didn't realize I was describing the gen 2 mission until about a half hour after I posted that while on break from work.

if you do have to use admin codes to get past the missions, do it. They are really really really meant to played by a group. Not balanced for solo at all.

And if it helps you any on feeling guilty using codes, don't be. The corrupted master controller boss fight at the end of gen1 is regarded to be one of the toughest boss fights in all of ark. Pretty brutal. If you bend a few rules getting there, you still have the challenge of the boss fight, and if you beat the controller you can straight out brag about that.

[きょすけ]

Originally posted by william_es:

Possibly. There are some weird glitches on genesis missions, where you sometimes do 1 mission on gamma, and it unlocks all three levels. I've seen it happen multiple times, both on gen 1 and gen 2.

and... you're gonna kick me, but the velonasaur hunt is actually on genesis 2. I switch back and forth between gen 1 and gen 2 alot, so they're all rolled up together in my mind. Genesis 1 does have it's own alpha hunt missions, not too much harder. Just not as sweet as the alpha velonasaur hunt on gen2 (where the water can actually drown them). If you do get to playing genesis 2, remember that mission. It's awesome. I didn't realize I was describing the gen 2 mission until about a half hour after I posted that while on break from work.

if you do have to use admin codes to get past the missions, do it. They are really really really meant to played by a group. Not balanced for solo at all.

And if it helps you any on feeling guilty using codes, don't be. The corrupted master controller boss fight at the end of gen1 is regarded to be one of the toughest boss fights in all of ark. Pretty brutal. If you bend a few rules getting there, you still have the challenge of the boss fight, and if you beat the controller you can straight out brag about that.

Oh don't worry about the velonasaur hunt mission, at least it will be doable on gen 2, which sounds great!

Thanks also for all the info you are telling me, very useful! So the gen 1 boss is brutal? So far the only boss I've spent a lot of time with trials and error was Rockwell from aberration, those damn floating following balls killed me a bunch of time, if this one is even worse, oh dear.

Ah well, I hope gen 2 will be much better (especially for base building: I just want some nice place to build a definitive base).

[william_es]

Originally posted by きょすけ:

Oh don't worry about the velonasaur hunt mission, at least it will be doable on gen 2, which sounds great!

Thanks also for all the info you are telling me, very useful! So the gen 1 boss is brutal? So far the only boss I've spent a lot of time with trials and error was Rockwell from aberration, those damn floating following balls killed me a bunch of time, if this one is even worse, oh dear.

Ah well, I hope gen 2 will be much better (especially for base building: I just want some nice place to build a definitive base).

Gen 1 boss is hard, no lie. The master controller does a bunch of strange mechanics, and he can spawn endless minions with no cap on the number. He can spawn human sized corrupted avatars (basically brainwashed hacked survivors), and if they aren't taken care of quickly you can be overwhelmed.

Gen 2 is literally designed for mega alpha tribes. From the ground up. The map is divided into two "rings", each of which is divided into a north and south side. One ring is called the "eden" ring, and the south end of the north half is literally that. A beautiful paradise. Beautiful terrain with almost nothing but peaceful herbivores mainly. Tons of maewings, galli's, stegos, brontos, etc. Lots of huge lakes, and the rest of the eden ring has really cool terrain. Huge mountains, arches of rock, etc. Just a ton of places to build cool bases.

The top 2/3rd's of the north half, and all of the south have predators like normal, up to rexes and other scary things.

The other "ring" of the map is straight up nightmare fuel 24/7. A ridiculous number of predators. You will see more spinos then you've ever seen before. It nuts.

[きょすけ]

Originally posted by william_es:

Gen 1 boss is hard, no lie. The master controller does a bunch of strange mechanics, and he can spawn endless minions with no cap on the number. He can spawn human sized corrupted avatars (basically brainwashed hacked survivors), and if they aren't taken care of quickly you can be overwhelmed.

Gen 2 is literally designed for mega alpha tribes. From the ground up. The map is divided into two "rings", each of which is divided into a north and south side. One ring is called the "eden" ring, and the south end of the north half is literally that. A beautiful paradise. Beautiful terrain with almost nothing but peaceful herbivores mainly. Tons of maewings, galli's, stegos, brontos, etc. Lots of huge lakes, and the rest of the eden ring has really cool terrain. Huge mountains, arches of rock, etc. Just a ton of places to build cool bases.

The top 2/3rd's of the north half, and all of the south have predators like normal, up to rexes and other scary things.

The other "ring" of the map is straight up nightmare fuel 24/7. A ridiculous number of predators. You will see more spinos then you've ever seen before. It nuts.

Sigh, I hope I will be able to deal with gen 1 boss, oh well...
On the plus side what you say about the eden ring sounds awesome to build my definitive base: I just want to put a gacha farm and get all those sweet, sweet resources and loot, lol.

[william_es]

Originally posted by きょすけ:

Sigh, I hope I will be able to deal with gen 1 boss, oh well...
On the plus side what you say about the eden ring sounds awesome to build my definitive base: I just want to put a gacha farm and get all those sweet, sweet resources and loot, lol.

Oh yeah, it's sweet. I have my main breeding base in gen 2, for a whole bunch of reasons. I'm right in the middle of the non-violent herbivore zone, but a short ride away I can level up dinos by killing rexes, spinos, sarcos, raptors, etc. I have only ever _once_ had a predator come into my base. A single raptor which got nuked by 20 rexes that I was breeding. All I could do was laugh.

The hexagon shop and genesis 2 missions give me a never ending supply of basic resources. Sometimes I literally buy stacks of meat instead of spending 5 minutes hunting for it. And there are genesis 2 missions that give global boosts to things like tame's exp gain, and other things.

And like I said, the map is literally designed for mega tribes from the ground up. In between the two rings is an asteroid field. The asteroids cycle through a different resource each game day.

Some of the resources are blue/green/red gems, obsidian, element shards, oil nodes, ambergris, element dust, black pearls, crystal, and sulpur. Metal and stone exist on all days of the week. There's more resources in those asteroids then you even collect in a single day.

[きょすけ]

Originally posted by william_es:

Oh yeah, it's sweet. I have my main breeding base in gen 2, for a whole bunch of reasons. I'm right in the middle of the non-violent herbivore zone, but a short ride away I can level up dinos by killing rexes, spinos, sarcos, raptors, etc. I have only ever _once_ had a predator come into my base. A single raptor which got nuked by 20 rexes that I was breeding. All I could do was laugh.

The hexagon shop and genesis 2 missions give me a never ending supply of basic resources. Sometimes I literally buy stacks of meat instead of spending 5 minutes hunting for it. And there are genesis 2 missions that give global boosts to things like tame's exp gain, and other things.

And like I said, the map is literally designed for mega tribes from the ground up. In between the two rings is an asteroid field. The asteroids cycle through a different resource each game day.

Some of the resources are blue/green/red gems, obsidian, element shards, oil nodes, ambergris, element dust, black pearls, crystal, and sulpur. Metal and stone exist on all days of the week. There's more resources in those asteroids then you even collect in a single day.

All of this sounds simply awesome, can't wait to jump in there! About the hexagon shop, does it have everything that gen 1 hexagon shop has? Or will I miss some items from gen 1?

[william_es]

Originally posted by きょすけ:

All of this sounds simply awesome, can't wait to jump in there! About the hexagon shop, does it have everything that gen 1 hexagon shop has? Or will I miss some items from gen 1?

I haven't compared them lately, but I think the gen2 shop has everything from gen 1, and much much more.

Just went and checked, the gen 1 and gen 2 shops appear to have the exact same stuff. 209 slots of stuff, at least.

[きょすけ]

Originally posted by william_es:

I haven't compared them lately, but I think the gen2 shop has everything from gen 1, and much much more.

Just went and checked, the gen 1 and gen 2 shops appear to have the exact same stuff. 209 slots of stuff, at least.

I see, thanks!