Ark remaster pricing is COMPLETELY fair

[Nickel_JV]

I am not the type of player to overlook the fact that ark has been a dumpster fire for many years, but this game holds a special place in my heart. Why in gods name would a complete remake of the game that (supposedly) fixes the problems fans have been facing for years be completely free? Do I want to spend 60 dollars to play the new game? no. I'd also love a bugatti and a mansion but these things require MONEY. i would much rather have the option to pay for a fix to this game than continue recieving support for a fundamentally broken one. I genuinely believe that the only potential fix for Ark is a complete remake, which we are recieving, and unfortunately is impossible to be made free.

If you disagree or agree, please let me know! I am completely understanding of both sides of the argument.

[ssmurf]

Originally posted by Nickel_JV:

...Why in gods name would a complete remake of the game that (supposedly) fixes the problems fans have been facing for years be completely free?...

Maybe because it is not free for new players, and everybody else already paid for that?
And just checking the state of the game right now, how can you possibly think they fix ♥♥♥♥?

[Nickel_JV]

Originally posted by ssmurf:

Originally posted by Nickel_JV:

...Why in gods name would a complete remake of the game that (supposedly) fixes the problems fans have been facing for years be completely free?...

Maybe because it is not free for new players, and everybody else already paid for that?
And just checking the state of the game right now, how can you possibly think they fix ♥♥♥♥?

Why should the game be free for new players? Yes the state of the game is rough, and it has been said that a complete remake is necessary for fixing these issues. The graphical optimazion will be much better in the new game engine, and this gives them an opportunity to patch problems deeprooted in the original game's coding.

[Bullslayer]

im just happy they removed the bundle idea forcing people to pre order ark 2 when its been delayed. 59.99 for remastered ark with all its paid dlc built in is reasonable to me. Plus if its too high a price you'll still be able to continue playing original ark by yourself or with friends privately, i fell this is also fair.

[retsam1]

The contentions of the plans are not so simplistically and there are people who have different points of contention, multiple points of contention or find all to be contentious.

Keep in mind then:

1. Jeremy Steiglitz, one of the heads of the studio and the one who started it all really, weeks ago on twitter (and later picked up by some gaming news and yt folks) that the remastering was to be free. The 180 with a higher price, then this week listing a shifted but still high price in the minds of many was bad faith.

2. Features that were assured/promised etc for Ark 1 never came to fruition but now are to be held ransom through the new edition and as well represents bad faith. There's still no guarantee nor should you or anyone assume that given the history of such not coming to fruition with Ark 1, that Ascended should be expected to have such to the extent that is being marketed for now....

As well that official server game play is similar being ransomed in this manner (though these players are a minority of the player base and were warned this could happen in the future as far back as 2017 when the official servers from EA were legacy's and many purged then and over time for the current Official servers.

3. Mod makers are being actively encouraged to charge for their mods for the remastering with wildcard taking 50% of that revenue. Some mod makers are stating they wont, others say they will and stop/remove their Ark1 mods, and yet others plan to port their mods to Ascended free but then make a second one to charge with additions to it(Automated Ark's mod maker has stated that for example). This too given how Wildcard has encourage people to make mods and sponsoring 4k a month stipends for them (and will not be doing that for Ascended) represents a paradigm shift that is as well felt to be in bad faith not just by players but some mod makers as well.

4. Justification for price points being out of a claim of a need of money is contradicted by point 1 but also assumes that all said money is going to said Ascended product's "needs" when there is ark 2 and the animated series... and more... being potential drains as well. But again Remastered iteration was originally to be free and thus makes for compelling evidence that the co founder of the game and studio felt that wasnt a necessarily to charge for....

5. That while the 12 dlc maps for ark are to be in the 60 buck bundle that the story canon maps are still to be conveniently staggers(not the 7 former mod to dlc ones) up to and just before the release of Ark 2... in addition to the claims of the new features(with no inception date given with the most recent announcement for those either(ie its ambiguous when). That, with what was stated with point 2 should be treated thus skeptically.

6. That while some players are not going to purchase Ascended out of principle due to points above and others, that Wildcard is literally banking on the premise that gamers are the least principled consumers. After all, if the fickle crowds of rome thinking sets in and people think the offerings with Ascended play to their liking, they'll let go of what's transpired to this point despite costs or even potential other issues that may arise with Ascended....

7. That the price points and considerations changing as they are from week to week now is in itself reflecting the inconsistencies and volatility of the intents and mindset of the people making the decisions within the company.



And there are many other points that can be made.

But essentially your post says that you believe things are broken with Ark 1 and are fine to pay for them to allegedly(again.. we had those assurances for 8 years already with ark 1) be resolved with Ascended. Would you then agree that you're primarily set within point 6 above in your decisions to support wildcard at this juncture?

I think there's compelling evidence and merit then that people should take a more skeptical view of what is being stated to the community and in the context of the last almost 8 years of the game.

[matty]

I paid for this game already plus all the dlc oh but now you only need to pay 60 bucks for and update of the same game. It's like bend over only this time we will use vaseline lol

[Pandora's Actor]

lol yeah sure its very fair to expect us to pay once more for the same game with just some better graphics and such xD lmao no. should be completely free

[loli overlord]

fixing optimization never ever modern scams and VR option removed and never be told about again because consumers will buy anyway

[Simo]

60$ or 20$ like it was when it first launched..... 40$ difference , if you wanna pay 60 bucks go for it just know youl be wasting that 40$ lol 6k hours in the game btw

[ssmurf]

Originally posted by Nickel_JV:

Originally posted by ssmurf:

Maybe because it is not free for new players, and everybody else already paid for that?
And just checking the state of the game right now, how can you possibly think they fix ♥♥♥♥?

Why should the game be free for new players? Yes the state of the game is rough, and it has been said that a complete remake is necessary for fixing these issues. The graphical optimazion will be much better in the new game engine, and this gives them an opportunity to patch problems deeprooted in the original game's coding.

I just pointed out that it is not free at all.

My granddad was a cheeky little bastard. He never cheated anybody but he always walked this "thin line". You know that saying "Every morning, a stupid person gets out of bed, you just have to find that person". He actually had to put effort in to do so.
He would be a happy man today seeing you don't have to chase those people anymore.

You are entitled to spend your money and your time as you see fit. If you think that this is a good deal, take it.

[william_es]

Originally posted by retsam1:

1. Jeremy Steiglitz, one of the heads of the studio and the one who started it all really, weeks ago on twitter (and later picked up by some gaming news and yt folks) that the remastering was to be free. The 180 with a higher price, then this week listing a shifted but still high price in the minds of many was bad faith.

Another example of someone posting something they shouldn't have on twitter. Diarrhea of the fingers.

Originally posted by retsam1:

2.As well that official server game play is similar being ransomed in this manner (though these players are a minority of the player base and were warned this could happen in the future as far back as 2017 when the official servers from EA were legacy's and many purged then and over time for the current Official servers.

If they launch new official servers, they should have them be nothing but seasonal full wipes. This way in the future, people will know that it's not permanent.

Originally posted by retsam1:

3. Mod makers are being actively encouraged to charge for their mods for the remastering with wildcard taking 50% of that revenue. Some mod makers are stating they wont, others say they will and stop/remove their Ark1 mods, and yet others plan to port their mods to Ascended free but then make a second one to charge with additions to it(Automated Ark's mod maker has stated that for example). This too given how Wildcard has encourage people to make mods and sponsoring 4k a month stipends for them (and will not be doing that for Ascended) represents a paradigm shift that is as well felt to be in bad faith not just by players but some mod makers as well.

Maybe this is the start of some kind official source of income for mod makers. Instead of paying them those stipends, the mod makers can have their own source of income (not coming directly from wildcard).

[Shadowlet]

Outer Worlds upgrade was $10, Witcher 3's was free.

Keep coping shill

[Nickel_JV]

Originally posted by Tigris:

That post comes from a real SIMP, you're disgusting. Have some self respect, at least a little.

This awful company constantly sh*** on its users over the years over and over again and thanks to people like you they continue to do so. You're a disgrace.

To add clarification I'm not claiming to be a fan of wildcard at all. I think their recent management descisions have been nothing short of scummy. I am very skeptical that ark ascended will fix all the issues of ark 1, but expecting a fix of ark 1's multitude of issues completely free is ridiculous. I'm glad they changed the sale from the ark remaster/ark 2 bundle to this new one which will not force me to pay for the dlc again.

[Nickel_JV]

Originally posted by Pandora's Actor:

lol yeah sure its very fair to expect us to pay once more for the same game with just some better graphics and such xD lmao no. should be completely free

If that is the only changes they make to the game with the remaster theres not a chance in hell i'll be buying it lmao. My understanding is that it will be a completely different game fundamentally, built from the ground up with only the same maps and creatures. If it's anything short of that i will not be buying it, but only time will tell

[dudewithabrain]

Originally posted by Nickel_JV:

Originally posted by Pandora's Actor:

lol yeah sure its very fair to expect us to pay once more for the same game with just some better graphics and such xD lmao no. should be completely free

If that is the only changes they make to the game with the remaster theres not a chance in hell i'll be buying it lmao. My understanding is that it will be a completely different game fundamentally, built from the ground up with only the same maps and creatures. If it's anything short of that i will not be buying it, but only time will tell

its already been confirmed by WC to be not only be a massive graphics upgrade but also have massive highly advanced gameplay improvements and adding new items creatures structures etc.. and remove bugs and improve optimization

but yes its worth way more then the price

[Nickel_JV]

Originally posted by retsam1:

The contentions of the plans are not so simplistically and there are people who have different points of contention, multiple points of contention or find all to be contentious.

Keep in mind then:

1. Jeremy Steiglitz, one of the heads of the studio and the one who started it all really, weeks ago on twitter (and later picked up by some gaming news and yt folks) that the remastering was to be free. The 180 with a higher price, then this week listing a shifted but still high price in the minds of many was bad faith.

2. Features that were assured/promised etc for Ark 1 never came to fruition but now are to be held ransom through the new edition and as well represents bad faith. There's still no guarantee nor should you or anyone assume that given the history of such not coming to fruition with Ark 1, that Ascended should be expected to have such to the extent that is being marketed for now....

As well that official server game play is similar being ransomed in this manner (though these players are a minority of the player base and were warned this could happen in the future as far back as 2017 when the official servers from EA were legacy's and many purged then and over time for the current Official servers.

3. Mod makers are being actively encouraged to charge for their mods for the remastering with wildcard taking 50% of that revenue. Some mod makers are stating they wont, others say they will and stop/remove their Ark1 mods, and yet others plan to port their mods to Ascended free but then make a second one to charge with additions to it(Automated Ark's mod maker has stated that for example). This too given how Wildcard has encourage people to make mods and sponsoring 4k a month stipends for them (and will not be doing that for Ascended) represents a paradigm shift that is as well felt to be in bad faith not just by players but some mod makers as well.

4. Justification for price points being out of a claim of a need of money is contradicted by point 1 but also assumes that all said money is going to said Ascended product's "needs" when there is ark 2 and the animated series... and more... being potential drains as well. But again Remastered iteration was originally to be free and thus makes for compelling evidence that the co founder of the game and studio felt that wasnt a necessarily to charge for....

5. That while the 12 dlc maps for ark are to be in the 60 buck bundle that the story canon maps are still to be conveniently staggers(not the 7 former mod to dlc ones) up to and just before the release of Ark 2... in addition to the claims of the new features(with no inception date given with the most recent announcement for those either(ie its ambiguous when). That, with what was stated with point 2 should be treated thus skeptically.

6. That while some players are not going to purchase Ascended out of principle due to points above and others, that Wildcard is literally banking on the premise that gamers are the least principled consumers. After all, if the fickle crowds of rome thinking sets in and people think the offerings with Ascended play to their liking, they'll let go of what's transpired to this point despite costs or even potential other issues that may arise with Ascended....

7. That the price points and considerations changing as they are from week to week now is in itself reflecting the inconsistencies and volatility of the intents and mindset of the people making the decisions within the company.



And there are many other points that can be made.

But essentially your post says that you believe things are broken with Ark 1 and are fine to pay for them to allegedly(again.. we had those assurances for 8 years already with ark 1) be resolved with Ascended. Would you then agree that you're primarily set within point 6 above in your decisions to support wildcard at this juncture?

I think there's compelling evidence and merit then that people should take a more skeptical view of what is being stated to the community and in the context of the last almost 8 years of the game.

I think we need to look at Wildcard's recent business descisions with a sense of skepticism as well as hope. The game is clearly broken in many places, yet we've all still played it for hundreds if not thousands of hours. Whether or not I purchase the remake is really dependant on the content of the game. I believe the original intention was to make a port of ark to ue5, providing us with the same broken game with better graphics. If that is the case I refuse to buy it, as the game breaking bugs would still be present if not worse due to how new ue5 is.

On the other hand, companies charging for ground up remakes of their games is not unheard of, and I am hopeful that this is what ark ascended will be. One great example being demons souls. Fromsoft is one of the most well respected game developers in the industry, yet they charged full price for a remake of game that already exists. If ark ascended can provide a new and consistently improved gameplay experience, with only the classic ark loop being the same (and hopefully a pvp revamp) then I believe charging for this new game is reasonable, though I'll admit the pricing is quite steep, especially for supporters of the original game.