Crystal Isles Dino Levels- Am I missing something?

[Sketchazoid]

Max Dino Level -150
Difficulty Offset- 1
Override Official Difficulty 5

Yet even after multiple dino wipes virtually almost every dino is between the levels of 90-95. There are some dinos below or higher than this and the highest we've seen is a 150 and the lowest thus far a level 20, so normally I'd write this off as terribly bad luck. However I have many hours in this game and this isn't normal.

For instance, my wife and I who play together decided to run down a beach and check every dino level. Sure enough about 90% of them were between the levels of 90-95. We decided to spawn on a completely different side of the map and the results were the same. Dino wiped a few times, restarted the server. Chances are the solution is right in front of me, I am at the age where I can lose my car keys and look for them and the entire time I am holding them in my hand. Not quite boomer, but I am definitely in "old fart" territory.

[KitsuneShiro]

If the levels you see are by 5s. Then that's right.

There are mods to make high levels spawn more often.

[retsam1]

1. Each map has different distributions for their spawn node rng for dinos. Remember that also some species share respawns nodes with others and statistically your goals of 150 can be even more watered down.

2. Levels are relative to the stats. But you can make this arbitrary. Since you are either playing in single player/non dedicated or on your own private server, keep in mind your frustrations can be rendered moot if you change the post tame stat allocation values to suit your 150 goals. But then you're "hunting" is only rendered moot. Alternatively you could focus on the breeding post tame to be the statistical focus if you're still looking for a time sink to offset the arbitrary nature of it.


3. Consider also S+ transmitter's level locator for dinos to make searching more efficient(though that doesnt change the random level distributions.

4. Spawn in your desired dino levels to then tame or auto tame.




So all in all, your choices really just boils down to your time sink desires.

[EmberStar]

The different maps "weight" the spawn chances to make certain level ranges more likely. I think "The Island" tends to favor lower levels even at max Difficulty, and max level creatures are incredibly rare. Ragnarok is almost the reverse, with the majority of creatures spawning at fairly high levels and from what I've seen low level creatures are much less common.

Maybe the Crystal Isles spawns in the areas you've checked are set to favor middle level ranges?

[KitsuneShiro]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1675932178

[Sketchazoid]

Yeah I don't think you guys are understanding. I have 4000+ hours in this game, I am well aware of how spawns work.

A) I have no desire to cheat and spawn dinos in. Considering I am paying for a server and I'd actually like to enjoy the game that seems rather counterintuitive.

B) I have spent more than 45 minutes look at random dinos at random points of the map after multiple dino wipes and the overwhelming majority of dinos are either 90 or 95 with very few exceptions. THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

C) I have not altered any dinos stats and the only stat I have altered was player stat for fortitude to give a little more incentive to level it up since it's widely overlooked.

I have played all the maps, ascended, and have been doing this for 4 years more or less. While I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination at this game I am pretty versed on it's nuances. Having an entire map where most dinos are 90 or 95 is not normal. This isn't bad luck, bad RNG, or anything of the sort. I am willing to accept that it's an error on my part, I just am not currently seeing it.

[KitsuneShiro]

I guess you've never actually looked at the level distribution curves.

[Sketchazoid]

In addition, the server settings I am using are an exact copy and paste settings I used for my Ragnarok server that I played with absolute zero issues for over 6 months.

[KitsuneShiro]

Originally posted by 🎮Sketchazoid🎮:

In addition, the server settings I am using are an exact copy and paste settings I used for my Ragnarok server that I played with absolute zero issues for over 6 months.

Ragnarok probably has a different distribution.

There is a server plugin that allows the Rag distribution on every map, but not everyone is familiar enough with plugins. So I linked a similar mod above, mods are more common place to use than plugins.

[Sketchazoid]

Originally posted by KitsuneShiro:

Originally posted by 🎮Sketchazoid🎮:

In addition, the server settings I am using are an exact copy and paste settings I used for my Ragnarok server that I played with absolute zero issues for over 6 months.

Ragnarok probably has a different distribution.

There is a server plugin that allows the Rag distribution on every map, but not everyone is familiar enough with plugins. So I linked a similar mod above, mods are more common place to use than plugins.

Let me simplify this..with the settings I mentioned above IS IT NORMAL to have almost every dino on the map, with few exceptions, to be EXACTLY 90 or 95? If I was to hypothetically take the first 100 dinos I came across (without spawning them in) and line them up is it normal that 90 out of 100 of those dinos would be exactly 90-95? Now in my experience, no that isn't normal and the issue is normally solved with making sure the server settings are correct (i.e. difficulty, override official difficulty, etc) then doing a dino wipe or server restart. In my 4+ years of playing Ark on every single officially released map not once did I need a server plugin or to look at "level distribution curves" because this has literally never been an issue for me.

♥♥♥♥ spawns? You bet.
Terrible luck? Of course.
Bugged spawns? Absolutely.
Accidentally messed up a server settings? Unfortunately yes.
An entire map with almost every dino 90-95? Yeah never has happened.

[EmberStar]

Originally posted by 🎮Sketchazoid🎮:

Yeah I don't think you guys are understanding. I have 4000+ hours in this game, I am well aware of how spawns work.

Okay. I hope you get it figured out then. Good luck, and if you figure out what's going on maybe tweet at Cedric or Dollie. I'm pretty sure that's the only way that anything gets fixed. I'm not convinced they don't just delete bug reports every day or so now.

[Sketchazoid]

Originally posted by EmberStar:

Originally posted by 🎮Sketchazoid🎮:

Yeah I don't think you guys are understanding. I have 4000+ hours in this game, I am well aware of how spawns work.

Okay. I hope you get it figured out then. Good luck, and if you figure out what's going on maybe tweet at Cedric or Dollie. I'm pretty sure that's the only way that anything gets fixed. I'm not convinced they don't just delete bug reports every day or so now.

I apologize for coming off somewhat hostile, it wasn't my intentions. I am just extremely frustrated with this game. From the issues it has with updating, often times requiring me to reinstall the entire game when a new update comes out to the vast list of problems within game. Many of these issues have never been resolved and simply never will be. So I apologize, to all that responded, for letting my frustrations get the better of me. Whether the responses were correct or not, you all responded politely and I was somewhat brash and arrogant with my response.

[retsam1]

Again, you may need to also consider that, as I eluded to, the spawn rng's on CI are intentionally the way they are and chances for higher ones, without manipulation, are just very limited.

But server's I've been playing on and in single player thus far are just showing typical RNG with no glaring anomalies. It is anecdotal though and out of 60,000+ an insignificant sampling.

Another variable would be if this was such a stark contrast I would think there would also be a much larger set of folks mentioning this and offering their data points but so far that's not been the case. But again we're still in the first few days of things.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[Sketchazoid]

Originally posted by retsam1:

Again, you may need to also consider that, as I eluded to, the spawn rng's on CI are intentionally the way they are and chances for higher ones, without manipulation, are just very limited.

But server's I've been playing on and in single player thus far are just showing typical RNG with no glaring anomalies. It is anecdotal though and out of 60,000+ an insignificant sampling.

Another variable would be if this was such a stark contrast I would think there would also be a much larger set of folks mentioning this and offering their data points but so far that's not been the case. But again we're still in the first few days of things.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Thus why I said I was willing to admit that the error could be on my end. I by no means think that I have come across some astronomically rare anomaly that no one knows about. I was merely asking for someone to potentially point out my blonde moment if there was indeed one. I even mentioned how I am the type of guy that gets frustrated trying to find his car keys while they're in his hand. Point being is that I was and am very well aware the issue was in doubt on my end.

[MacDeltaOne]

Try troubleshooting, destroywilddinos and check again. I had no Leeds, Titano, Topeo and few other creatures. After my first dino wipe, those dinos spawned into the world. As for levels, I see varied on my server from 15 to 150. High level dinos are not rare, much like Rag. From what ou have shown, the settings are correct. Maybe it is a weird glitch, if a few dino wipes have the same results of all dino levels are 90/95, you may want to uninstall the server and re install.

[Sketchazoid]

Originally posted by MacDeltaOne:

Try troubleshooting, destroywilddinos and check again. I had no Leeds, Titano, Topeo and few other creatures. After my first dino wipe, those dinos spawned into the world. As for levels, I see varied on my server from 15 to 150. High level dinos are not rare, much like Rag. From what ou have shown, the settings are correct. Maybe it is a weird glitch, if a few dino wipes have the same results of all dino levels are 90/95, you may want to uninstall the server and re install.

Yeah I went through all the normal troubleshooting things. Dino-wipes, double check server settings, restarted server, made sure no mods were affecting dino spawns (I have really only QoL mods). I gave up on it for the better part of the day but whatever the issue was it sorted itself out. We're now seeing normal dinos spawns that are a strong contrast in comparison to what we were getting before, as in literally almost every single dino was lvl 90 or 95. Those actual specific levels and not much variation beyond that. Now there is far more variation and whatever was causing it seemed to fix itself. It's unfortunate because if such a problem ever rose again in the future I wouldn't know how to address it other than be like "Welp, hope for the best I guess." Weird.

I was going to delete this thread since it was helpful to me and it more than likely won't help anyone else buuuuuuuut Steam won't let me. Thanks Steam.