Plz fix the Golden Horde

[Xom]

Hello.

I like to play in Eastern Europe and can't ignore the problem of Golden Horde. Problem is the Horde... isn't a problem in 99% cases. But it HAVE BEEN a problem for 100+ years since EU5 start in real history.

United Russians can beat Horde army in 1380 but in next years Horde returns and burn Moscow. And real Horde break is happen in middle of 15th century. Yes, you never will see it ingame. In my two last games in MP (need to restart for some reasons) the Horde breaks in... first 10 years, in 1340-1350.

Why not to break Osmans, Bohemia or France? I never play for Horde but I like to more hiustorical vibe rather than chaotical events when large country suddently falls with no reasons.

Maybe it was reported many times, but no changes was made since release of game.

[Krozan]

In older patches, I’ve seen it survive longer—and even perform quite well on a couple of occasions.

But it’s clear that, short of a complete rework, it will never emerge again in version 1.4. It was already prone to facing multiple wars simultaneously—on top of a civil war—but now it also very frequently gets hit by a crusade right from the start. This allows all of Europe to descend upon it, and all its tributaries can break free without any trouble at all.

[tonypa]

So, you are asking for Golden Horde NOT to release all the tributaries who are in Tatar Yoke?

I am not sure why. Historically it had Great Troubles (1359–1381), it suffered from Timurid invasion and declined constantly until eventually breaking down. It happens faster in the game but this just shows that EU5 is not historically accurate game in general.

Even without specially crafter disaster to break it, every Horde suffers in the EU5 because they have absolutely no economy to back their cavalries. The game is economy simulator and you need to have reasonably advanced locations to earn money that basically powers everything.

[Xom]

I just need to more stable Horde, for more historical cotext.
Yes it seems big economical rework, like Steppe addon in Crusader Kings III to make new Hordes economy. Or just add more developed areas in Horde territory. But now GH breaks every time in the very start, that is non-historical.