Zeppelins

[Henry]

So, what would all of think if zeppelins were flying overhead regularly? They would be used for shipping, so no long range trucking will happen. No giant clogs of shipping vessels. Just slightly more filled skies. Tell me how you would feel about having zeppelins in the sky once again.

[Solumn Trade]

Unfortunately, helium is not a common enough resource for that, and we're wasting it on party balloons. Hydrogen is just too flammable.

It's why 'Suspendium' exists in this game, because in real life we simply do not have enough light-than-air resources, and the options that do exist are too fragile. While I appreciate zeppelins as a shipping possibility, unfortunately the logistics for it simply don't exist, unless someone finds something both safer than hydrogen, and more common than helium.

As for trying to fill a zeppelin with a vacuum, unfortunately the structural integrity required to contain a vacuum means it would be too heavy to get off the ground.

tl;dr: It's not impossible to make a zeppelin cargo ship, it's just not logistically feasible to make very many of them.

[Solumn Trade]

Although, I did hear something about anti-gravity tech, if tin hats are to be believed.

[Henry]

i am not using helium, im using hydrogen

[Henry]

an no, hydrogen really is quite safe, when delt in the right way.

[Solumn Trade]

I'm not dissing the technology, I'm just dissing the propensity for human error, ignorance, stupidity, and malice. We don't deserve airships.

[Henry]

im sorry that you dont like advancment, no matter the cost.

[Solumn Trade]

It's probably a better option for travel on some planets, just not this one. We've already had terrorists shoot down planes with AA rockets, and I feel having a zeppelin just makes it so ironically air piracy would be a possibility. They just need to fill the zeppelin with enough holes to cause it to gently touch down, and then all the goods are available for the taking.

[e.]

Originally posted by Henry:

an no, hydrogen really is quite safe, when delt in the right way.

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[Eliphaser]

Originally posted by e.:

Originally posted by Henry:

an no, hydrogen really is quite safe, when delt in the right way.

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hindenburg is a decent illustration of hydrogen used in a not-quite-safe way

while it wasn't the cause of the explosion (as far as I know, at least), they had a smoking lounge aboard

a place where people would light fire to smoke cigarettes, on a sausage filled with segmented pouches of highly explosive gas

I'd hardly call that "delt in the right way"

[e.]

Originally posted by Eliphaser:

Originally posted by e.:

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hindenburg is a decent illustration of hydrogen used in a not-quite-safe way

while it wasn't the cause of the explosion (as far as I know, at least), they had a smoking lounge aboard

a place where people would light fire to smoke cigarettes, on a sausage filled with segmented pouches of highly explosive gas

I'd hardly call that "delt in the right way"

Yeah fair enough, I mean the incident was over 80 years ago, they might've had some idea of the dangers of any possible elements that could cause it to combust, they most likely weren't aware of every factor, and I'm pretty sure the Hindenburg was made when Germany was still.... how can I put this, U N S P O I L E D?

[Maya]

Originally posted by Henry:

im sorry that you dont like advancment, no matter the cost.

Use of zeppelins would be a massive step back because of how much less efficient they are at transporting anything at all, most you can reasonably hope for at least on Earth would be cruise ships, and even then the traditional variety would have a lot of advantages, including but not limited to variety of activities, capacity, and safety.

[Eliphaser]

Originally posted by Maya:

Originally posted by Henry:

im sorry that you dont like advancment, no matter the cost.

Use of zeppelins would be a massive step back because of how much less efficient they are at transporting anything at all, most you can reasonably hope for at least on Earth would be cruise ships, and even then the traditional variety would have a lot of advantages, including but not limited to variety of activities, capacity, and safety.

airships - not necessarily zeppelins because it's not exactly a modern-day structural design - do have a place as a viable way to transport cargo to hard to reach places

so basically, they can do the job of a helicopter while being far less noisy and require much less fuel, though they are much, much larger physically, making them a bit more annoying to store

airships can also be used to some extent using solar + electric propulsion as an alternative to low orbit satellites, but that's a much sketchier option

[Shoddyfrog]

Airships replacing cargo ships?! LOL
Airship carries around 20 tons. A cargo ship can transport over 100,000 tons.

[Maya]

Originally posted by Shoddyfrog:

Airships replacing cargo ships?! LOL
Airship carries around 20 tons. A cargo ship can transport over 100,000 tons.

If you're going to argue for or against something at least do it competently.

Originally posted by Eliphaser:

Originally posted by Maya:

Use of zeppelins would be a massive step back because of how much less efficient they are at transporting anything at all, most you can reasonably hope for at least on Earth would be cruise ships, and even then the traditional variety would have a lot of advantages, including but not limited to variety of activities, capacity, and safety.

airships - not necessarily zeppelins because it's not exactly a modern-day structural design - do have a place as a viable way to transport cargo to hard to reach places

so basically, they can do the job of a helicopter while being far less noisy and require much less fuel, though they are much, much larger physically, making them a bit more annoying to store

airships can also be used to some extent using solar + electric propulsion as an alternative to low orbit satellites, but that's a much sketchier option

>so basically, they can do the job of a helicopter while being far less noisy and require much less fuel, though they are much, much larger physically

Being much larger also makes them significantly worse for getting to certain hard to reach places, such as heavily forested areas or places like mountains which can be dangerous for helicopters even in relatively good weather and would be far worse for airships because of their size

[Henry]

Originally posted by Maya:

Originally posted by Shoddyfrog:

Airships replacing cargo ships?! LOL
Airship carries around 20 tons. A cargo ship can transport over 100,000 tons.

If you're going to argue for or against something at least do it competently.

Originally posted by Eliphaser:

airships - not necessarily zeppelins because it's not exactly a modern-day structural design - do have a place as a viable way to transport cargo to hard to reach places

so basically, they can do the job of a helicopter while being far less noisy and require much less fuel, though they are much, much larger physically, making them a bit more annoying to store

airships can also be used to some extent using solar + electric propulsion as an alternative to low orbit satellites, but that's a much sketchier option

>so basically, they can do the job of a helicopter while being far less noisy and require much less fuel, though they are much, much larger physically

Being much larger also makes them significantly worse for getting to certain hard to reach places, such as heavily forested areas or places like mountains which can be dangerous for helicopters even in relatively good weather and would be far worse for airships because of their size

this is actualy incorrect, they are better at getting into hard to rech places.