The "good ending" (spoilers)

[Ruego Al Alba]

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[Ruego Al Alba]

I probably missed it by why exactly does Class Zero die right after the fight? They seemed fine enough during the cutscene. No visible grievous wounds. Probably dead tired, sure, but that doesn't seem like they'd all die just closing their eyes and falling asleep.

[Krelian]

Rursan reavers can harm a person's phantoma (their essence, soul or whatever), not just physically. This makes healing magic not work on people attacked by them.

[Miro Laaksonen]

Wasn't it more that they sacrificed their phantoma in order to defeatthat final boss? Everyone basically died right after destroying one of those red orb things so that's the image I got.

[Krelian]

Yes, by absorbing that energy they got damaged in that same way. You're fighting the Rursan arbiter, the leader of these creeps.

[Dreamzera]

one thing tho, that dont ring well with me , is to why machina and rem are still alive and kicking , after being transformed to crystal, the world was not remade, so they didnt got ressurected or something, did the dr. broke them free from the stasys?

[Ruego Al Alba]

Originally posted by Aellian:

one thing tho, that dont ring well with me , is to why machina and rem are still alive and kicking , after being transformed to crystal, the world was not remade, so they didnt got ressurected or something, did the dr. broke them free from the stasys?

Arecia did in fact resurrect them from their crystal stasis.

[Karma]

Originally posted by Aellian:

one thing tho, that dont ring well with me , is to why machina and rem are still alive and kicking , after being transformed to crystal, the world was not remade, so they didnt got ressurected or something, did the dr. broke them free from the stasys?

You only sublimate after fulfilling your destiny, or at least what the crystals want to be your destiny. So Qun'mis (or what was the name?) duty was to recruit Machina. Machinas and Rems duty was to stop each other from interfering?

[Monterossa]

There's a secret scene unlocked in Rubicus by clearing the game, you can see the Dr. turn them back from crystal stasis, and there's another scene showing Cid's fate after he lost.

[Miro Laaksonen]

Originally posted by The Devil You Don't:

Originally posted by Aellian:

one thing tho, that dont ring well with me , is to why machina and rem are still alive and kicking , after being transformed to crystal, the world was not remade, so they didnt got ressurected or something, did the dr. broke them free from the stasys?

Arecia did in fact resurrect them from their crystal stasis.

But how does that work? As far as I'm aware, l'Cie gets crystallized (they don't die) when they fulfil their focus and the only way to change that is receiving another focus from the fal'Cie. Does that mean that Arecia was actually fal'Cie all along or is this just me thinking too much in Final Fantasy XIII terms?
They probably did address and explain the whole thing in the game but I didn't bother reading those historica Rubicus things this time around.

[Monterossa]

Originally posted by Miro Laaksonen:

Originally posted by The Devil You Don't:

Arecia did in fact resurrect them from their crystal stasis.

But how does that work? As far as I'm aware, l'Cie gets crystallized (they don't die) when they fulfil their focus and the only way to change that is receiving another focus from the fal'Cie. Does that mean that Arecia was actually fal'Cie all along or is this just me thinking too much in Final Fantasy XIII terms?
They probably did address and explain the whole thing in the game but I didn't bother reading those historica Rubicus things this time around.

Dr. Arecia is some kind of a demigod. she works for Pulse (one of the deities of Fabula Nova Crystallis).

The crystals of Orience can be compared to the fal'Cie in FFXIII. they brand l'Cie and give them focus.

Cid is actually not a bad guy. he tried to free people of Orience from these crystal bs.

[Ruego Al Alba]

Originally posted by Miro Laaksonen:

Originally posted by The Devil You Don't:

Arecia did in fact resurrect them from their crystal stasis.

But how does that work? As far as I'm aware, l'Cie gets crystallized (they don't die) when they fulfil their focus and the only way to change that is receiving another focus from the fal'Cie. Does that mean that Arecia was actually fal'Cie all along or is this just me thinking too much in Final Fantasy XIII terms?
They probably did address and explain the whole thing in the game but I didn't bother reading those historica Rubicus things this time around.

Apparently Dr. Arecia can ressurect anybody by restoring their phantoma. If I'm interpretting this correctly, a l'Cie loses its status once it fulfills its focus, so resurrecting them from their crystalized state will turn the body inside back to its original state. In Rem and Machina's case, they revert to being human. Since there's no disambiguation as to how this one worked, I can only assume that she had to restore their phantoma to bring them back from death. There's also nothing suggesting that they keep or lose their phantoma after dying like that either, so I can comfortably call that a plot hole. It's also interesting to note that that entire process also cured Rem of her "incurable" disease.

I'm sure that she also could have resurrected the entirety of Class Zero as well had they not (for a very stupid reason) asked not to be revived, even if the Rursan Arbiter did "destroy" their phantoma.

Also it seems that Dr. Arecia was around for every single spiral before the one of Type-0 so the fact that she can basically do whatever she wants during those spirals and can reset history suggests to me that she's lying about abandoning the search for Etro's Gate. After all, the entirety of the game is nothing but an experiment anyway. Arecia finally got it right when Class Zero became Agito in Type-0's spiral so there's no reason for her to let Class Zero stay dead. It's at that point that in another spiral (not referring to the slice-of-life cutscene in the Rubicus) the cutscene showing Ace in samurai-esque armor starts to make sense. Perhaps Arecia did in fact get a fix on Etro's Gate but needed the Agito Class Zero once again. If any of this is correct, this also tells me that Class Zero is literally nothing more than Arecia's creations that she needs to become Agito status, and them dying (permanently within that spiral) in the end of Type-0 is necessary on her end and not her honoring the wishes of Class Zero to not be revived.

[Krelian]

I don't think Arecia can revive people that had their phantoma destroyed. She brought back Rem and Machina because they've only been physically wounded (by fighting each other, not the Rursus).

The way everybody gets revived in each cycle is because time gets rewinded, not because Arecia resurrects them.

[Miro Laaksonen]

Originally posted by The Devil You Don't:

Apparently Dr. Arecia can ressurect anybody by restoring their phantoma. If I'm interpretting this correctly, a l'Cie loses its status once it fulfills its focus, so resurrecting them from their crystalized state will turn the body inside back to its original state. In Rem and Machina's case, they revert to being human. Since there's no disambiguation as to how this one worked, I can only assume that she had to restore their phantoma to bring them back from death. There's also nothing suggesting that they keep or lose their phantoma after dying like that either, so I can comfortably call that a plot hole. It's also interesting to note that that entire process also cured Rem of her "incurable" disease.

It's this part that confuses me, because in FFXIII's version of Fabula Nova Crystallis, l'Cie still stays as l'Cie even after crystalization and the reason a l'Cie is ever, umm... uncrystalized is because they received another focus.
But they did clearly state that Machina lived and died as a mortal in the end so I can only presume that this is different in Type-0's version of l'Cie stuff and I'm too much in FFXIII terms.
About that incurable disease, we don't know it for certain that it was cured. They only said that Machina live with his wife, so maybe Rem died after all and he met some other nice girl :P (Or more probably, because Arecia is this almighty fal'Cie, she was probably able to cure it all the time but didn't bother to do so because she didn't have a reason for it.)

[Ruego Al Alba]

Originally posted by Vinland_Krauser:

I don't think Arecia can revive people that had their phantoma destroyed. She brought back Rem and Machina because they've only been physically wounded (by fighting each other, not the Rursus).

The way everybody gets revived in each cycle is because time gets rewinded, not because Arecia resurrects them.

This is true, though sometimes I get the impressions that spirals and time rewinds aren't always paired together. In Final Fantasy Agito the original members of Class Zero are still present but the game has the custom Cadet fail in becoming Agito. 600 million + tries later, Arecia finally gets the right cast to become Agito and stop the world from being destroyed during Tempus Finis. Her goal all along was also to find and open Etro's Gate, which bridged the realm of the living to the realm of the dead. If she was right about the Agito being the ones who can open the gate, and Class Zero did become Agito before their final moments, I don't see why Arecia would just give that up.

tl;dr I'm having a very hard time accepting Arecia's presumed inability to resurrect Class Zero simply based on how she resurrected them prior to the Arbiter fight. Even if their phantoma was said to be destroyed I'm sure that, being who Arecia is, would have been able to do something about that.

[Blarg]

It's an Final Fantasy game. No one has a clue what the story or ending is/means. Just keep defeating the bad guys and try not to think too much.